PARKER's PROMOTER Flying to UK to SIGN CONTRACT

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  1. Popnvg

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    Mate i'm from the UK but the fact you Americans actually pay $100 for PPV's is a disgrace and joke.Mayweather/Pac was one of the most boring matches i had ever seen in my life, the fact you were charged 100 dollars for that rubbish is a JOKE.You Americans should Boycott,they think you're stupid and they are making YOU, the US Public, pay for a Boxer's living when they arent giving you back entertainment in the ring nevermind all the BS and corrupt descions like Canelo-GGG.Boxing is dead in America and the AJ hype train in the UK wont continue for long,his fights other than Klitschko have done under 600K and the PPV price is only $30 here.
     
  2. Dubblechin

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    Why isn't Anthony Joshua on PPV in the US if he's such a great star?

    You keep insisting he's a big star and could crack the US PPV market anytime. Then why hasn't he?

    Fighting Wlad Klitschko (considered the best opponent after Fury left the scene) didn't help Anthony Joshua crack the US PPV market. They didn't show it on PPV here.

    Fighting Joseph Parker (the only other champ besides Wilder) isn't going to help Anthony Joshua crack the US PPV market. They aren't showing it on PPV here.

    Who is Joshua going to fight to make him a US PPV star?

    Not only did those guys not help Anthony Joshua crack the US PPV market, they didn't help him draw more viewers than WILDER DOES.

    Wilder draws three times what Joshua draws in US TV viewers, and neither Wilder nor Joshua is on PPV here. And Joshua is supposedly fighting tougher guys.

    Still, Wilder draws far more. SO SUCK ON THAT FOR A WHILE.

    And you don't seem to be paying attention. The US PPV market is much more expensive than the UK market. Your PPVs are what are PPVs cost back in 1990. Your PPVs are 30 years behind the times when it comes to cost.

    US PPVs tend to cost $75 US for NON HD. HD is $85. In the US, that's how much they cost. The market is already established.

    You have to have a large following the US to charge that much. Wilder is building a following here. So is Joshua. But Joshua isn't the draw here that Wilder is.

    FAR more people in the US were interested in watching Wilder waste Stiverne and Washingon than watch ANY Joshua fight.

    Wilder draws more viewers than any US heavyweight. He's the guy if Joshua wants to break out here.

    If Wilder and Joshua fight, it'll be on PPV in the US.

    If Joshua doesn't fight Wilder, he'll just be a domestic UK fighter. He'll never unify all belts. And he and Bellow and Chisora can just mix it up. And he'll have to be satisfied with never cracking the US PPV market.
     
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  3. Dubblechin

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    Get ready. Because if Anthony Joshua keeps the belts you guys will be paying that in about six or seven years. I figure Hearn will raise the PPV rates about £10 a year, beginning with this Parker fight.

    It's only just begun for you.
     
  4. Popnvg

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    But no one in America knows Wilder or Joshua.I aint deluded like most Brits on this forum,If Joshua was American he would be in the same situation as Wilder because boxing is dead in America.But because Joshua is British and Britain dosent have as many Sporting stars as America that is the reason why he is so big.Comparing the US and Uk is like comparing a Shark and Spider.If Ward-Kovalev two very known Boxers in America done only 300K PPV Buys on HBO PPV which has a bigger base than Showtime PPV how will Joshua-Wilder do more than that.It's going to be a flop in Vegas they just need to screw it and let it happen in London before one of them gets knocked out and it fizzles out.Dont get me wrong i wouldnt mind it happening in America it'd be epic.
     
  5. Dubblechin

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    You tell me what the Sky and Box Nation and BT Sport ratings are when Wilder's fights are shown there. I don't know what they are. And that's not the point.

    The point is all of Anthony Joshua's title fights have been promoted in the US and he appears on Showtime and HBO, the two premier networks.

    He still draws a fraction of the viewers Wilder's fights do.

    Wilder's fights aren't on PPV here. Joshua's fights aren't on PPV here.
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    Still, Wilder draws more TV viewers, even against lesser comp.

    Joshua and Hearn want to crack the US PPV market, because that's where THE WINDFALL is.

    But they fought Wlad, and they couldn't. They fought Parker, and they won't.

    Who is left for them to fight to crack this US PPV market?

    You can't make the money anywhere that you can in the US PPV market, because they charge so much and people STILL BUY IT.

    If Wilder and Joshua fight on PPV, it'll be the first US PPV for both. And Wilder draws more viewers here than Joshua does by a mile.

    If Joshua and Hearn want to crack it, they need Wilder. Obviously, fighting Hall of Famers like Wlad and fighting fellow champs like Parker ISN'T getting Joshua on US PPV.

    If he wants in, he needs Wilder.

    That's it.
     
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  6. Popnvg

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    You dont understand one thing though,Most of AJ's PPV buyers here in the UK is linked to the Preimer League(Soccer for you Americans).Sky Sports which carries Joshua's Fights rely on the Football to sell Joshua's fights.Guess what?? The Rights for the UK PL Rights have started this year for 2019-2022 and will be announced in Feburary and apparently a American Company which goes by the name of Amazon wants the rights.Sky loses the Football,Sky Sports will Collapse and Joshua and Hearn will have to find a new place.This could be over by next year.
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    Sure they do. 1.89 million watched Wilder fight Washington this year. 600,000 watched Joshua fight Wlad.

    If 450,000 to 500,000 of them bought a Wilder-Joshua PPV, the US PPV dollars would equal 1.5 million UK PPV buys.

    Is Wilder-Joshua going to sell more than 1.5 million PPVs at a third of the cost in the UK?

    I think they can do that.

    Which means both guys bring money to the table. And Joshua cracking the US PPV market has to be worth something as well.

    Like I said earlier, if they wait much longer, and Wilder fights Fury and beats him first, Joshua and Hearn aren't even going to get a 50-50 split with Wilder.

    The real money is in US PPV. And US fans love unified heavyweight title fights when a US fighter is involved. Always have.
     
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    You cannot make those Assumptions because their is one Key difference.Wilder fights on Prime Time in America,Joshua fights at Afternoon time in America and is a Foreign Fighter.Once Joshua fights in America at Prime Time then we can do a real comparison.
     
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  9. Mr Icaman

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    Honestly what is your point. You think AJ should throw Wilder a bone of 50/50 because you think he will crack the US market??

    Wilder isn't a PVP star so I have no idea why all of the sudden he will become one because he get good free to air numbers???

    If he does then that would be because of AJ wouldn't it???

    Now I see we seem to have a good ole USA great agenda going now but consider that Europe has a population of 743 million I can see why AJ is pretty happy over there. Like Wlad and Vitali did, AJ will make a pretty good living from Europe.

    Given it is rumoured AJ is worth 45 million after 20 fights in Europe (compared to 16 million in 38 fights for your boi) I can see why AJ really needs Wilder...
     
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    I dont know about Americans but from the UK i am just using logical information if Ward-Kovalev couldnt do more than 300K buys in America and both are much well known than Joshua and Wilder by US Fans then you come to the Cold Hard Truth that Joshua/Wilder will be a flop on PPV and the Vegas Gate
     
  11. Guybino

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    The biggest problem in your comment here is "potential".

    AJ is a proven draw, not potential, he could fight anyone and still make that money. And they don't have to demand 50/50, a la Joseph Parker.

    Who many believe (and rightly so) that is a much tougher test/closer fight than against Wilder.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    They should fight. 50-50 is fair. US PPV will generate as much as UK PPV. Hearn can charge more to the UK fans to fight Wilder, and UK fans will buy it. And Joshua will finally crack the US PPV market. If the fight sells well, they can fight several times and make many, many, many millions together and unify the titles. It will help the sport immensely.

    OR, Joshua stay in the UK, never unify and be a domestic champ. Big fish/small pond.

    Some people are happy with that.
     
  13. Mr Icaman

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  14. Dubblechin

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    Andre Ward? Andre Ward never drew 1.8 million people to any fight ever. Let alone against a late sub.

    I don't know about you guys from the UK, but in the US, undisputed heavyweight championship fights SELL on PPV.

    Andre Ward didn't draw viewers ever. And most found him boring as hell.

    Nobody thinks Wilder fights are boring.
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    AJ can't fight Wlad anymore. And nobody in the US bought it.