Ortiz hasn't a one off win better than a fringe contender. Ruiz, Chisora, Takam and even Hughie all have better resumes than Jennings ( whose best wins if you don't count the controversial win against Perez is Rudenko and Spzilka).
Joyce "moved well"? He literally just stood there, flicked the odd jab out and ate punches the entire fight. Wilder would spark Joyce out in 3 rounds. As for Dubios, he's simply too slow and inexperienced at this stage. I'd pick Chisora to tear him apart within 8 rounds. As for Joyce not losing? Not hard when you're not competing at the top level. Put him in with Whyte for a fun match up.
Watch the fight, Joyce is constantly moving around and has underrated footspeed. Wilder is potentially a nightmare stylistic matchup for Joyce but if his chin holds up (and it may well) it would be highly competitive. Seeing as Joyce closed Dubois' left eye fully and made him quit, we can say that he did much more than "flick the occasional jab". Look at Usyk-Chisora and Parker-Chisora; both of these powder punchers hurt a gassed 37 year old Chisora, Usyk in the 7th and Parker from the 11th on. Chisora's stamina and punch resistance has obviously declined so a huge puncher like Dubois would KO him in the mid rounds at this stage. Joyce-Whyte is an even easier fight for Joyce than Joyce-Parker; at least Parker has the chin and engine to survive and lose a UD.
That's true, Parker is a bully-coward who only shows aggression against horrifically overmatched, sub-Cojanu tier journeymen.
He also took a lot of flush shots. Remembering to move sometimes doesn't make him a "mover" and it's going to get him severely punished when he fights a proven heavyweight that isn't on retirements door.
Nobody (well not me), has called Joyce a mover He clearly has faith in his chin But you did say he just stood there, ignoring the good rolling movement he showed on the night It was very simple and very effective There is a chance he gets in big trouble when he gets the opportunity to step up but its not gonna be Parker thst sparks him
You massively overrate both Joyce and Dubois. Joyce is too slow and stiff, and will get battered the moment he steps up. Dubois you rate based on the fact that he's a good sparring partner. Sparring ain't fighting, and if he can't handle Joyce he's not going far.
I also never said Parker sparks him, or that you claimed him to be a mover if you read my post that you replied to. Parker would comfortably win a UD against Joyce, as would plenty of other fighters.
He might, i doubt it though Parker is the definition of average and i might be in the minority but im a admirer of Joyce Very underrated imo I did read your post, i mean i quoted it so no need to be try and act like im ignorant Im not I simply think Parkers very average and is going nowhere and Joyce is under rated and will give any HW trouble
At all, Parker is <30 and might improve. A lot of HW and CW boxers had seriously improved when they were 30-32 and for sure had beated up their own 26 y.o and 35+ y.o versions with a glance.
Lots of things "might" happen but we have to consider probability. Parker has even less drive and will than he did several years ago when he was edging out fights or getting gifts against fringe contenders Takam and Ruiz in his backyard. Now he's been a world champ, made a lot of money, become a father, taken a lot of damage and been dropped several times, he's not going to suddenly find ambition that he lacked in his early-mid 20's. It's not in Parker's innate character: he knows he's not elite, has said Fury's better than him and is happy just to be there.
At 23 years old any fighter is going to struggle to handle a de-facto Olympic champion and seasoned pro with heavy hands, a granite chin and an excellent engine. Parker was unable to handle the roughhouse tactics of fringe contender Whyte when Parker was 26/27, which is very good evidence that he's a mediocre fringe contender who is going nowhere. Just a few months ago he gets a gift against 37.5 year old, 10 loss warhorse gatekeeper Chisora and again gets manhandled and roughed up. Then says after the fight he says that he wouldn't have complained if he'd not got the decision!
Seasoned pro? Who's he fought? Not that you'll answer that of course. You're also forgetting Parker had Whyte holding on for dear life at the end of round twelve. Parker would win the rematch, which is why Whyte is too scared to fight him.
The way most people go on about Joyce you'd think he was the second coming of Ali. Definitely overrated. I only mentioned rereading the post just to clarify a clear misunderstanding. Nothing malicious intended. I respect your opinion, I just disagree with it.