Part 1 - 100 ATG List - Old School Era

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  1. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Basically almost all fighters that made the top 100 Boxers of all-time can be called not just a legend but an ATG. These are first ballot HOFers and their contribution to the sport are unparalleled.

    But to come up with the list, we need to ensure that each era is evenly represented to minimize bias.

    I come up with four boxing Eras spanning three decades each. We will be having 25 fighters in each Era.
    A. Old School - Prior 1920
    B. Golden Age - 1920-1949
    C. Television Era - 1950-1979
    D. PPV Era - 1980-Present

    I took the year an individual fighter debuted and for this thread we will examine the top 25 fighters in the Old School Era. They are the pioneers of the sport under the Queensbury Rules. We can also refer this era as a "No Decision Era" as boxers will fight until one is out or end in a stalemate. These old school fighters fought in an era similar to MMA wherein there are smaller gloves and a lot of clinching.

    Here is the Top 25 List along with the year of their debut:

    01. Harry Greb 1913
    02. Sam Langford 1902
    03. Bob Fitzsimmons 1885
    04. Benny Leonard 1911
    05. Gene Tunney 1915
    06. Joe Gans 1893
    07. Mickey Walker 1919
    08. Jimmy Wilde 1911
    09. Tommy Loughran 1919
    10. Stanley Ketchel 1903
    11. Terry McGovern 1897
    12. Joe Walcott 1892
    13. Tommy Ryan 1887
    14. Packey McFarland 1904
    15. Abe Attell 1900
    16. Jack Johnson 1898
    17. Pancho Villa 1919
    18. Mike Gibbons 1907
    19. Jack Dempsey 1914
    20. Ted Kid Lewis 1909
    21. Jack Britton 1904
    22. Tommy Gibbons 1911
    23. Tiger Flowers 1918
    24. George Dixon 1886
    25. Freddie Welsh 1905

    26. Pete Herman 1912
    27. Jack Dillon 1908
    28. Johnny Kilbane 1907
    29. Young Corbett III 1919
    30. Harry Wills 1911
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Very nice! JimDriscoll, Mike Gibbons?
     
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  3. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Would you rank Driscoll above Attel, Dixon, Welsh and Kilbane?
    Not sure with Mike Gibbons, i have him above Tiger Flowers but below Tommy Ryan
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'd put him on a par.
     
  5. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Using the date of pro debut to determine their era, really muddles the picture. A boxer clearly belongs to the era, where he did most of his work, or where he really made a name for himself.

    Take Tommy Loughran… ONE fight in your Old School era (on Dec. 9, 1919 - 3 weeks before the era came to a close!). And then 169 fights from 1920 to 37. How is he not a Golden Age boxer?