Part I: Classic's Consensus P4P Top 10 Inclusions

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  1. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again, I like the pick, but no dice. Gans died in 1910.
     
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  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd agree with you. On Tuesdays and Saturdays...!
     
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  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thus far, we have to include Robinson, Greb, Armstrong, Langford, Duran, Charles...

    That's four more spots up for grabs. I'll throw in 3 that I think should be definites:

    Archie Moore
    Mickey Walker
    Charlie Burley
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Duran is not a lock, though I have him in the ten.

    Moore is not a lock, and currently is my #11

    Burley is not a lock :|
     
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  5. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here are the usual categories give or take that I try to apply:

    Ring generalship
    experience/quality of opposition
    longevity
    dominance
    performance against larger opponents

    Duran scores very high in all of those categories. I can't see him outside of the 10. Walker does as well and Burley is very high in at least 3 categories.

    Who would you offer that hasn't already been mentioned that exceeds their rights of inclusion?
     
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  6. mr. magoo

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    Can't disagree.

    However I'd like to Ali in there somewhere.
     
    mr. magoo, Feb 23, 2009
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  7. Stonehands89

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    I'm looking for a pool of the best potentials, I'd like maybe 20 to apply the measures to once I get them and forge a top 10 that is more than mere feelings and based on some kind of objective standard. Gimme names!

    Ali is in the running.
     
    Stonehands89, Feb 23, 2009
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  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With fighters like Langford, Greb and B. Leonard, are we to take into account their whole careers, much of which took place pre 1920, or only what they did after 1920? I'd assume it's the former, which of course would make them locks for the top 10.

    If it's the latter, then I nominate Willie Pep, Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler for the top 10.
     
    sweet_scientist, Feb 23, 2009
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  9. McGrain

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    Yes, all true. But here is a very reasonable list that excludes these boys -

    01 - Sam Langford
    02 - Sugar Ray
    03 - Greb
    04 - Armstrong
    05 - Charles
    06 - Your man Mickey
    07 - Willie Pep
    08 - Benny Leonard
    09 - Muhammad Ali
    10 - Bob Fitzsimmons.

    Now this isn't my list, but I think that it isn't unreasonable. Especially if:

    11 - Roberto Duran
    12 - Archie Moore

    You know?
     
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  10. McGrain

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    :yikes

     
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  11. sweet_scientist

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    On the assumption that he clearly beat Vito, Duran and snuck by Ray, of course :good
     
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  12. McGrain

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    I like your Gone With The Wind better than Wizard of Oz pick more.
     
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  13. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say the former. If a fighter retired in 1921, we consider his career in toto.
     
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  14. Stonehands89

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    * I can't see Benny Leonard over Duran... arguably as pure LW, but that's only about 1/3 of Duran's career and those later accomplishments put him over The Great Bennah.

    * Ali over Moore or Duran? Perish the thought.

    * Fitz is pre-1920.

    I will include Duran, Ali, Benny, and Moore though.
     
    Stonehands89, Feb 23, 2009
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  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:

    Thanks mate. How about my The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance rather than Lawrence of Arabia? Was lucky to escape with my life after that one :yep
     
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