Pascal-Hopkins: The End Of A Brilliant Career?

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  1. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some people say that everything in life has a beginning and an end. A good book, a bad day, a long jog, or in this case a boxing career. Sometimes we know where the finish line is, sometimes we can only speculate. Usually, we do know when it is near. Such is the case with Bernard Hopkins.

    Hopkins has accomplished in boxing what most young fighters dream of early in their careers, but seldom achieve that level of "greatness". A lot of the ones that do make it to that elite level find it hard to maintain that status for the a long time without getting derailed. Hopkins has been competing at that level for two decades now. He has had a great career and has been a spectacular fighter even into his 40's. However, in boxing, there is almost always a lessson to be learned. You can only be on top for so long. Sooner or later an aging fighter will fight a younger, hungrier, fighter with more to prove and more at stake. Hopkins has been sucessful so late in his career because he has always taken his job very seriously. He has always taken care of his body and he never got caught up in the outside distractions that so many fighters cant seem to avoid. He deserves a lot of credit for what he has accomplished after losing his middleweight titles to a then undefeated Jermaine Taylor.

    Now, 5 years removed from his second fight with Taylor, and weeks removed from his 46th birthday, Bernard will attemt to defy father time once again. But this time, the clock will tick a little faster. "The Executioner" has averaged just one fight a year since 2005 (2 in 2008 ), and if history has taught us anything, it is that inactivity will eventually catch up with a fighter, no matter how great the fighter is or was. But, it does take a good fighter to beat even a old Hopkins, given his experience and cageyness. Is Jean Pascal good enough? I believe he is.

    Pascal has shown that he is a hungry young lion, and he is a very proud champion. I also think the usually calculated and shrewd Bernard Hopkins is making a huge mistake by fighting Pascal in Quebec. Because Pascal is the champion, he has every right to defend his title in his hometown, which leads me to believe that Hopkins should have fought Chad Dawson in the US, where the title could have been defended on familiar soil, in front of a Hopkins-friendly crowd. I think Hopkins missed the boat, and come December 18, he will be smimming in choppy waters. Dont be surprised if he can no longer keep himself afloat.
     
  2. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Break up your paragraphs if you expect people to read all that in one go.

    Also Pascal wont beat Bernard Hopkins, I honestly believe Dawson had a off night.
     
  3. Peppermint

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    Fixed. I dont think Dawson traveled well. Fighting in another country can be intimidating for a fighter. Even if dawson did beat Pascal, that doesnt mean that Hopkins would beat Pascal. how do you see the fight going down?
     
  4. techks

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    I give Hopkins more of a disadvantage because of his age not inactivity, he fought in April. People think Hopkins "schools" Pascal but people need to remember Hops is in his 40's and will have to fight the fight of his life. All Pascal has to do is be active and he should win. I'm a fan of both but I want Hopkins to retire on a winning note and if he beats Pascal that will be a helluva way to close his career so I'm favoring him a little more. I'm a fan of Dawson too but no excuses, he got outfoxed and has no one but himself to blame for not pressing his fight with Pascal more.
     
  5. MMJoe

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    Old man Nard' Hopkins W 12.
     
  6. PH|LLA

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    actually, he can blame Pascal, whose movement did not permit Dawson to open up.
     
  7. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He fought a shot RJJ in April, but is was a a much slower pace than Pascal will fight. Roy didnt throw hardly anything. Also, Hopkins hasnt fought a natural light heavyweight, aside from Roy, in a long time. Pascal is a strong 175 pound fighter. I would like to see Hopkins end his career on a win too, but I think this is the wrong fight for him.
     
  8. techks

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    I see what you mean but it didn't hurt for Dawson to throw more punches though.

    I think it's a bad fight too and in no way did I say a shot Jones fights like Pascal, I was just saying Hopkins fought earlier this year so inactivity shouldn't really be brought up. His age should but I'll give Pascal credit if he beats Hops.
     
  9. Peppermint

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    I mean only that the Jones fight was more of a sparring session. I guess the good thing is at least Hop isnt fighting Haye. After seeing Hopkins go down and act badly hurt by Roys light rabbit punches, i think haye would put him out cold. I think Pascal will hurt Hopkins in this fight, but I think Hopkins defensive will proably get him the distance...and dont be surprised to see Hopkins deducted points in Canada. I think he will fight as dirty as ever in this one.
     
  10. techks

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    If he was really hurt by Jones than I worry for Hopkins but I just think he was trying to get breathers so he could try to press the fight more. Pascal-Hopkins sounds like a VERY ugly fight and I won't see it unless Hopkins puts on a clinic or if its a close fight ala Taylor-Hopkins but that was 5 years ago. How much does Hopkins have left and can he pull another upset out of his sleeve are questions I want answered.
     
  11. o_money

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    Styles make fights. No matter what the age of the fighter. My problem with the predictions for this fight is that they are not grounded in this concept. They do not address the styles or technique of these two fighters. Instead most of them go along the lines of yours which state that Pascal is too young and too hungry to lose to Hopkins in Quebec City. I had the same problem with most of the Dawson PAscal predictions. Most of them simply stated that Dawson was just too good and too skilled for pascal...only the people who bothered to look at the fighters and their styles actually realized pascal had a very good chance of winning the fight.

    The more I look at the styles of these fighters the more I think PAscal is going to be in for a long night. Even if he does win. PAscal is very good at seeing openings and using his speed to get in and capitalize on holes in this opponent`s defence. With Bernard the holes will not be there. He will have to step out of his comfort zone to beat the lod chcampion.
     
  12. techks

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    Calderon/Segura just popped up in my mind. Calderon could've possibly did better had he had his legs when he was younger but he still would be in for a tough fight against Segura no matter what.
     
  13. melo22

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    I mean even if it was the same BHOP that fought JCAL, BHOP easily beats Pascal.....But people need to understand how old BHOP is, 45 thats old as hell,

    Like previously said, that fight against RJJ scared me a lil
     
  14. time

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    Pascal got outfought by froch, you can say styles and all that, but at the end of the day thats what happened, so hopkins can do it if the guy who fought calzaghe shows up
     
  15. techks

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    Hopkins doesn't fight aggressively every round like Froch and Pascal's run @ lightheavy needs to be studied by the Hopkins camp more than his SMW fight with Froch does. People talk about that fight like Froch sucks, he beat Dirrell & Taylor plus had a close fight with Kessler so nothing wrong with losing to Froch he's a good fighter just awkward. Hell even if Pascal lost to Froch that fight was a war and great for boxing so in a way though Froch clearly won, both guys have nothing to be ashamed of. That being said, I don't think either man is a pushover and I just see it being an ugly fight.