Past 130, Manny hasnt fought anyone coming off a big win except Marquez

I know you gave PAC "half" credit for his resume 130 and down...but from 135 up hasn't been a ****ing cake walk kid. PAC has gone into the lions den time and time again facing men much bigger and stronger than himself. They maybe were JMM, MAB or EM....but they were TOP level fighters who deserve respect and not to be dismissed just because PAC beat them or they had a loss.

Floyd gets more flak simply because of how Floyd is. He's an ass hole...he's a braggadocios athlete who is disrespectful and hard to like. He's not like Mike Tyson in that he's a real menace...he's not like ALI who actually stood for something and he's not like Joe Louis who was a true gentleman. Floyd is trying WAY to hard to be something he's not..He wants to be seen as this "thug"...this wanna be gangster and no matter how hard he tries or how many rappers he surrounds himself with...no one believes it and most have a hard time giving him the credit he actually deserves.

Had Floyd been more like Ray Leonard there would be NO one bigger than Floyd in boxing....but since the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree in his case he's taken on traits from his daddy and uncle which are very flattering. Lucky the boy is damn good cause with out boxing Floyd is in for a rough road ahead.

Floyd gets credit for a lot of the stuff he's done...so does PAC...but there are a lot of fans who are over zealous who won't ever give Floyd or PAC the proper credit for what they've done.

Floyd can't say he's won 8 titles in as many division...PAC can...but I don't look at that.... they both take care of business in the ring.

 

Resume schmesume.

When and if they fight Floyd wins...

That's all we need to think about.

 

Not true. He ****ed up Hatton right after he whooped on Paulie. That was a brig win for Hatton who was coming off a second poor performance at 147 and reestablished his dominance at 140

 

Half credit! What else do you expect me to say if you are discrediting wins above 130? What if I did the same thing with floyd and said I didn't give Floyd any credit for wins about 130 in his career?:rofl It's ridiculous.

I never said any of the crop PAC beat were better than the 3 great Mexican Champs that PAC beat....but they aren't tomato cans either....Guys like Ricky, DLH, Clottley, Marg and Cotto are all TOP fighters at 147. And considering PAC started out at 106 the move up and the domination means a little more.

Had PAC faced Joel or Diaz at 135 there still would have been a bunch of excuses no matter who PAC faced...but PAC was only stopping through 135 on his way up to face DLH 2 divisions higher.

Margarito was a career WW and PAC faced him at 152. Marg was a threat to ALL at 147 and proved that.

Cotto wanted to fight PAC for a lot of reaons....mainly b/c he was the P4P king. The catch weight was agreed to by Miguel at 145... a weight he suggested and PAC agreed to.

Like I said....I could do that with Floyd's career but to me it's pointless. He's doing it big and so is PAC...to nit pick and over analyze is in my opinion laughable because the level these guys are at will never be something you or I ever reach. But I don't mind a Sunday morning QB....I find myself in that position sometimes....I just try not to.

 

Both of their WW/JMW resumes leave a lot to be desired:

1) Hatton - May dragged him up / Pac fought him coming off an okayish win over Malignaggi

2) Mosely - May fought him 1+ year after Margo / Pac fought him after an unimpressive win with Mora (who, to be fair, no one really looks good against).

3) Marquez - May drags him up 2 divisions / Pac struggles with him

4) DLH - May wins but it ain't exactly a shellacking / Pac fights him at 147 where DLH looks lethargic, but you know, dominates him.

I don't remember the negotiations for that the Pac/DLH fight, but I imagine that DLH being the bigger star at the time didn't allow himself to be dictated terms to.

 

Mayweathers best wins above 130 is DLH and Shane....you can talk Ortiz and Judah but you aren't winning any arguments with those names. To try and argue resumes is pointless....there's nothing anyone can say that will trump actual accomplishments.

 

LOL....dude...how long has Floyd been at WW? And how long has Pac? Yet their resumes are fairly equal with only a slight edge favoring Floyd based purely on having more fights with guys like Chop, mitchell, gatti and Baldo.