Past Vs Present-The Legends Would be Considered Jokes in Today's Boxing Climate.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The Past
    James Braddock 46-
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    Joe Louis 66-3 KO'd 2
    Ezzard Charles 93-
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    Jersey Joe Walcott 51-
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    KO'd 6
    Harry Greb 107-8 KO'd 2
    Max Schmeling 56-10 KO'd 5
    Henry Armstrong 150-
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    KO'd 2
    Willie Pep 229-11 KO'd 5
    Sugar Ray Robinson 173-
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    KO'd 1
    Jake LaMotta 83-
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    KO'd 4
    George Foreman 76-5 KO'd 1
    Jack Dempsey 55-6 KO'd 1
    Sonny Liston 50-4 KO'd 3
    Rocky Graziano 67-10 KO'd 3
    Benny Leonard 89-6 KO'd 5
    Archie Moore 185-
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    Legends Some of The Greatest of All Time

    The Present
    Canelo Alvarez 1 Loss
    Carl Froch 2 Losses
    Robert Guerrero 3 Losses
    Tim Bradley 1(2) Losses
    Wladimir Klitschko 3 Losses
    Shawn Porter 1 Loss
    Lucian Bute 2 Losses
    Andy Lee 2 Losses
    Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. 2 Loss
    Sergio Martinez 3 (2) Loss
    David Lemieux 2 Losses
    Deontay Wilder Undefeated
    Peter Quillin 1 Draw
    Kubrat Pulev 1 Loss
    Lucas Matthysse 3 (1) Loss
    Danny Garcia Undefeated (1) Loss
    Joe Calzaghe Undefeated
    Sven Ottke Undefeated
    Mikkel Kessler 2 Losses
    Brandon Rios 2 Losses
    Austin Trout 1 Loss
    Vanes Martirosyan 2 Loss

    Bums the Whole Lot of Them:-:)blood:verysad

    Almost every Fighter from the past that's considered a Legend would be run out of the Business by the fickle fans of today, after their first or second loss, they'd definitely be dropped by HBO and Showtime, they'd be the opening match on FNF or Shobox. Boxers now days are being kicked to the curb left and right a little too easily, in boxing there are winners and losers just because someone loses doesn't mean they're worthless, fans standards are unrealistic and set far too high, Everyone loves a winner, but losing is an unforgivable offense.

    Most of the Legends would be so savaged by the writers and fans, their reputation would be utterly destroyed and they would end up about as relevant as Trevor Berbick or Razor Ruddock. Its a good thing the World Wide Web didn't exist in their day, they would have been beaten to a bloody pulp and thrown in the trash, after their second loss, if they were lucky.


    This doesn't apply to all fans by the way.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Ali was schooled by Frazier and Norton what a bum, I don't want to see him on TV ever again, why Frazier giving him a rematch, Foreman is a cherrypicker.
     
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  3. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's all about the Zero, or go home.
     
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  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The zero counts big if you've taken on all comers BUT if you are like todays cowardlyprima donnas cherry picking opponents the zero means nothing ,nada, ziltch
     
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  5. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cassius Clay was 29 when he lost to Frazier. 31 when he lost to Norton. Wladimir Klitschko was 27 when he lost to Sanders, 28 when he lost to Brewster. Ali went on to go 15-3 after his last loss, 12-2 in world title fights after the loss to Norton. Retired at 39. Wladimir has gone 21-0 since the Brewster fight, 18-0 in world title fights and is currently 38. Yet people bring up 10 and 11 year old losses to diminish him and say he doesnt compare to the ATG's. Its just sad :(
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :deal
     
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  7. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Losses don't mean ****, it's who they beat that makes them great.
     
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  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    If you put 7-10 victories between your defeats, I don't think they judge you as harshly. Hopkins, Klitschko, Pacquiao, and Marquez are fairly good examples of this. Cotto remained marketable despite his losses to top guys. Maidana's credit has noticeably improved since he lost twice to Mayweather, even though he already had the reputation of a gatekeeper, having previously lost to Khan, Alexander, Kotelnik, and in my opinion Morales. Matthysse has losses but continues to draw, etc.

    Also, you are forgetting that the legends you listed, most of their losses came at the tail end of their careers.
     
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  9. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Well he doesn't compare who has Wlad fought comparable to Norton & Frazier ?? No one What top ranked GOOD fighters has he beaten ?? None The heavyweight scene is abysmal
     
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  10. killerD

    killerD Boxing Addict Full Member

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    .your point is about todays fighters getting discarded too easily after a loss which I agree with.I reacted to the title saying these legends are a joke.I see what your saying.
     
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  11. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can not possibly compare Wlad to Ali.
     
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  12. killerD

    killerD Boxing Addict Full Member

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    there's a huge difference between ali who btw had just missed three years of his prime losing to another all time great like frazier and a hall of famer like norton and wlad getting the sh!t knocked out of him by absolute nobodies.:deal
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yep you got it:good
     
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  14. texboxing00

    texboxing00 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Couldn't agree any more,, If anything this hurts boxing because it's missing out on what could be excellent fights and atg fighters. I hate when floyd brags about his 0 or compares him self to past legends. Would of been hard to keep that 0 back in the day .
     
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  15. Lopetego

    Lopetego Guest

    James Braddock was a genuine bum who got lucky against Max Baer and little else

    to call him a legend is an insult to real legends
     
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