Past Vs Present-The Legends Would be Considered Jokes in Today's Boxing Climate.

The (very) vocal and (very) stupid 'fans' feel this way. I agree that not all fans are so fair weather, just the dummies.

Sort of like that Bertrand Russell quote:
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are ****sure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

 

Wlad's opposition has been very weak that's a problem he can't do anything about . being levels above your opposition isn't always a good thing he's not an ATG top ten heavy for me but he's very close now.

 

no wonder I put dan on ignore whenhes comparing a 37 year old neverman retired and shot2****, to prime ATG frazier.

That is the epitome of a **** post.

 

It's something most of today's "fans" won't admit, but you certainly have more as just a point.

A guy like D¡ck Tiger would have been called a journeyman and Fullmer an absolute joke and overrated bum for losing to him twice. I can almost see the trollthreads here, "No previous era ATG would have lost to such a bum and he wouldn't even be a challenger back in the old days!", and that's just one of the huge amounts of examples that are out there.

edit: damn, I can't even write **** Tiger's name here anymore without using a trick :-(

 

MVC and group seems to be ducking your thread...

 

It's dismal because between he and his brother, he absolutely destroyed every rising prospect and existing challengers.

Wladimir since taking the belt has beaten

Chris Byrd ( 31-1, former champ)
Frans Botha ( 44-3, former champ )
Ray Mercer ( 30-4-1, former and future champ)
Sam Peter ( 23-0, future champ )
Calvin Brock ( 29-0)
Lamon Brewster (33-3, former champ)
Sultan Ibragimov ( 22-0-1, former and future champ)
Tony Thompson ( 31-1-0)
Hasim Rahman ( 45-6-2, former champ)
Ruslan Chagaev ( 25-0-1, future champ)
Eddie Chambers ( 35-1-0)
David Haye ( 25-1-0, two weight champ)
Jean Marc Mormeck ( 36-4, cruiser champ)
Mariusz Wach ( 27-0 )
Francesco Pianete ( 28-0-1)
Alexander Povetkin ( 26-0-0, future champ)
Alex Leapai (30-4-3)
Kubrat Pulev ( 20-0-0)
Bryant Jennings (19-0-0 )

Meanwhile his brother beat

Chris Arreola, Kevin Johnson, Timo Hoffman, Tomasz Adamek, Manuel Charr, Juan Carlos Gomez, Danny Williams, Kirk Johnson, Larry Donald

"They didn't have to face anyone" - no, they did, in most eras, guys like Calvin Brock would've picked up a piece of the strap, guys like Jean Marc Mormeck probably would've got a piece of the strap too.

In this era? With Wladimir and Vitali, those guys didn't even have a chance at the belts. Wladimir continues to fight pretty much all comers and any time there is a guy that gets on a roll, invariably that's who he ends up facing and generally destroying.

 

In your reverse logic. Sort of how this site years ago had posters who were involved with boxing for decades, on one level or another, and who could speak eloquently and intelligently on the subject. Now the site has posters like CTS80, who don't know the sport, writing laughable threads and showing a lack of intelligence on the subject.

 

Completely different eras.

And lets not pretend like those guys with 100-200 wins were fighting top 10 contenders 10+ times a year, because they weren't.

In fact, the majority of ATG's that campaigned between 1920's-1960's had resumes littered with part time fighters, i.e. guys who fought on the weekends at local clubs and churches and held full time jobs outside of boxing (i.e. construction workers, policemen, etc.) There were plenty of guys that title holders took on that had .500 or below records, these are guys that had no business sharing the ring with the champions, but these ATG's needed money so they had many stay busy type of fights in between fighting solid competition throughout the year.

Also, if those guys were making money like today's boxers make money, they wouldn't have fought so often. You think Ray Robinson liked fihgting as much as he did? He hated the sport, and if he could've made enough money per mega fight, he would've only fought a couple times a year.

i always look back at the great Jack Dempsey, the most popular fighter in the 1920's. He was SUCH a big draw in his heydey, he was actually apart of the first million dollar purse in the history of the sport. Essentially, he was making floyd mayweather money back in the 1920's, and because of that, you'd be lucky to see him fight once a year after he won the title in the late teens.

Obviously most of them are terrific and would be dominant in any era like RObinson, Greb or Armstrong.

There's several fighters in this era if they fought back than that could accrue 100+ wins too. It goes both ways.

 

You're right about fans being fickle. You're wrong about everyone you listed being bums, unless I misunderstood you. Fans throw the words bum and cherry picker around way too much and have no clue what they're talking about.

 

Not his fault, he's beaten everyone he needs to so far.

 

Well they wouldn't fight as much nowadays so their records would be different.

Ray Robinson was a shrewd businessman who didn't particularly like boxing, so my guess is that he'd have a nice contract on HBO/SHO like Mayweather, or RJJ before him.