Patterson vs Cleveland Williams

think this has been brought up indirectly a few times.Always was a big fan of Williams,even after he went down hill.The (Big Cat) was not a whole lot of defense,and didn't have a great chin,and Patterson certainly coud punch.But this would be a nightmare matchup for Floyd,that is why Cus never let it happen.Williams by knock out.

 

Aaaaand watch Floyd get screwed over at the H2H table for the ten millionth thread in a row...

 

This would be a massacre. Sorry but Williams was not in Floyd´s class. Floyd in the second Ingo fight was a badass. Floyd´s too fast, too good defensivly, too good technically and packs enough of a punch to knock Williams out. Big Cat has a good chance to floor him early but he ain´t taking him out. And after three rounds, Patterson steps up and puts him away. Patterson TKO5 Williams.

 

You've kind of made a liar out of me, or at the very least temoprarily made my clairvoyance look overrated. I don't mind, under the circumstances though.

 

I don´t think it will happen, the more knowledgable posters will pick Patterson. I´m interested in _suzie´s opinion here. He often mentions that Patterson ducked Williams, I wonder if he picks him over Floyd. :think

 

Excellently put.

 

THAT Floyd Patterson would batter Williams to defeat. The Big Cat was no Sonny Liston...Floyd wins by ko anywhere from 5 to 7.

 

I am still thinking about it. Floyd was the greater fighter, but Williams size, speed, strength, and punching power is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd. Floyd did not excel against these types of fighters. in fact, quite the opposite.

 

I see Floyd losing early ... simply a terrible match up .. he could pull a Charles/Satterfield but my money would be on Williams ... so fast out of the gate and fierce power ...

 

It was also suggested that Floyd ducked Cooper and Machen, but when he finally did take them on as a former champion, he dominated both.

Patterson was phenomenally resilient. Even both times with Liston, he was getting to his feet when the referee finished his count. Floyd was a few levels above anybody Williams took on prior to Liston, particularly during the middle match with Ingo and the knockout of Cooper.

Frankie Daniels went the distance with Williams twice, right before Sonny starched Daniels in less than a round before the same Miami fans who saw him go the limit with Williams less than a year earlier. Cleveland wasn't quite as effective at taking a man out. (Bethea is another such example of the contrast between Liston and Williams.) No one punch from Williams would stop Patterson.

 

Duoudem,

You seem to be confused. Cleveland williams went the distance twice with Billy Daniels. Not Terry. Sonny never fought Billy Daniels. Daniels was top 10 rated by Ring Magazine when Williams beat him. Daniels gave a young clay one of his closest fights.

Take a look at C Williams KO 1 Alonzo Johnson. No one prior to that fight had stopped johnson, and johnson had been in with the division's best for years. Williams starched him in 1.

 

I was half-thinking something along these lines as soon as I saw the thread title, though I tend to think that most folk could look past a such a generalization. Patterson was considerably better than anyone Williams ever beat IMO and not at nearly as much of a styles disadvantage as people would like to make out here.

An interesting question is how Floyd would have fared had D'Amato not drilled it into him that Folley, Machen, Cooper and Williams were bad news and that a fight between him and Liston would be a complete catastra****. As has been mentioned, he completely dominated Machen and Cooper once that mentality had been purged post-D'Amato and also gave Ali two very good runs when well past his physical prime.

Not exactly relevant, I know, but I like a peaked and confident Floyd to take Williams out after a couple of potentially rough early moments.

 

It wasn't henry cooper who Cus feared, it was Nino Valdes. Patterson's camp never feared Cooper.

 

Patterson by TKO. He was on a different level than Big Cat and too techinically sound for him.