Patterson vs. Liston I

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    February 1962,

    Before this fight ever got off the ground. It was originally scheduled for
    New York, in June 1962.

    Cus D'Amato wanted nothing to do with Sonny Liston.
    But Floyd Patterson's lawyer, Julius November, wanted Sonny Liston next.

    Patterson said, 'Liston may beat me, but I do not fear him'.
    'Right now, plans are for me to fight Liston in June, and in New York'.

    D'Amato's objection to Liston, is his management, he believes the rough Italian hand of Blinky Palermo, the Philadelphia racketeer, still controls Sonny as it did when Palermo's puppet, Pep Barrone, was managing
    Liston.

    At the moment, Cus D'Amato is doing everything in his power to prevent a Patterson-Liston fight.
    He cares not a whit for Liston's drawing power at the gate; Patterson he says, can make as much money
    fighting two or three lesser opponents.

    Although Patterson's apparent decision to fight Liston, makes the questions of Liston's alleged mob ownership
    somewhat academic. it is worth noting, that Blinky Palermo is back in Philadelphia. Currently he is out on
    bail, appealing his case and 15-year sentence for conspiring to muscle in on boxing.

    Morton Witkin, a Philadelphia attorney, who represents Sonny Liston (he also represented Blinky Palermo)
    is anxious for the fight too. He stated, 'if Floyd Patterson wants to make one dime in 1962, he has
    to fight Sonny Liston. Who else is he going to fight. If he doesn't fight Sonny, the public won't buy it'.
     
  2. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    'What They're Saying About Sonny'

    February 1962

    John G. Bonomi, Special Assisstant Attorney General, New York State

    I question whether Sonny Liston, as of now, should ever be licensed,
    let alone get a shot at the Heavyweight Championship.
    I don't believe he's shown any rehabilitation. Also, he has not
    gotten rid of his underworld connections.

    Here we have the spector of a possible heavyweight champion who is an example of how
    you can get to the world championship regardless of your personal life - if you have
    enough gangster support.

    However, I don't think Liston should be barred forever. While I personally don't
    excpect him to change that much, he could at least get rid of his gangster associates
    and improve his record enough to fight for the title in the future.

    If Sonny does beat Floyd, I could see him having a very long run, possible 5 to 7 years.
    There is no one on the horizon that I could see beating this guy, but every fight
    will be under scrutiny with his mob ties.
    The first time there is an inconsistency, fingers will be pointed in Sonny's direction.
    Oddly, Sonny doesn't even care, he flaunts it and he likes the aura of the under-world.
     
  3. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Floyd didn't fight Sonny, he would have been matched with
    Eddie Machen in June 1962.

    With winner set up versus , the Zora Folley vs. Doug Jones fight.

    1963, Harold Johnson, Cleveland Williams.

    1964, Willie Pastrano, then Cassius Clay (late 1964)
     
  4. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Once New York would not sanction the bout, it was shifted to Chicago,
    where the connected-crew had some pull.

    The Liston vs. Patterson II bout was set for Miami Beach, in April 1963, but was
    shifted to Las Vegas.

    California wanted nothing to do with Sonny Liston.
     
  5. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JQ,

    Money was the problem after the fight.
    Sonny only got 12% of the gross net.
    $312,000, but all of the money was tied up wit the I.R.S.

    6-months after the fight, he had only received about $100,000 of his purse.
    He was still owed $208,000, up to the Liston vs. Patterson II rematch.
     
  6. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    :deal
     
  7. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing commission reports have located one of Sonny Liston's contracts.

    It appears that he his connected with 'not very wholesome' individuals.

    Ownership of Sonny's contract
    12%,,John Vitale
    12%,,Blinky Palermo
    52%,,Frankie Carbo
    24%,, 'two' unidentified under-world individuals

    Further investigation has determined, Sonny Liston does not even own 1% of himself.
    He is,,,,,, by all accounts,,,,,,, nothing more than a salaried employee.

    Investigator, Lawrence Harris has concluded.
    All of the fight purse money is taken, and split into nice portions to these individuals.
    In turn, Mr. Liston fights for nothing (or least not a % of the fight purse)

    He is paid, how,
    His training expenses are covered, including sparring partners and trainers
    His rent is paid
    His household expenses are covered
    He has been given a car
    And he gets weekly cash, as spending money
     
  8. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    December 1961,

    Following Sonny Liston's 1st Round KO of woefully-inept and serio-comic figure named
    Albert Westphal, in a shameful promotion.

    And Floyd Patterson's dissection of Tom McNeeley, a fighter that Cus D'Amato said,
    had defined talent, and would be a dangerous opponent for any Heavyweight.

    Problems still are here, as Sonny Liston's manager of record, Blinky Palermo is
    out on $100,000 bail. As there may be a wisk of evil in the air, if the fight
    between Patterson and Liston comes off.

    Henry Cooper, knocked himself out of contention, by getting knocked out by
    Zora Folley in 2 Rounds.

    George Logan, a recent winner over Alejandro Lavorante is asking for a shot, but
    he has been beaten thrice by athlete turned boxer, Tom McNeeley.

    And undefeated Doug Jones, was just beaten by up-and-down Eddie Machen.

    An outside fight maybe the winner of Archie Moore vs Robert CleRoux, scheduled for
    December 5th in Toronto. But unfortunately that fight won't come off, as woeful
    ticket sales will end a fight, whcih many said would have been an eliminator.
     
  9. jacklondon

    jacklondon Guest

    Videos are on Youtube. Liston would have done the same to Clay if their fights weren't fixed.
     
  10. abraq

    abraq Active Member Full Member

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    Duce, I will give it to you. You sure have the knack of digging up the details. :nod
     
  11. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali KO7 and KO1 Liston
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Both Liston-Patterson fights were cold, clinical executions, IMO. There was nothing impassioned or wild about those two bouts..the inevitable happened both times. it was an impersonal execution both times.
     
  13. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd left his confidence in the dressing room agains Liston and a large chunk of his boxing skills their too.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Three one round fights, floyd against sonny (both times) and sonny against clay (second time) feature the worst non-efforts by any loser in the history of the HW title.
     
  15. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    U hold Liston's 2 demolitions of Patterson against him ?