Patterson vs Norton

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is an interesting one I think. Was Patterson's speed and power enough to impose itself on Norton, or would Norton's superior strength and size make the difference?
     
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  2. Loewe

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    Patterson had not only speed and power on Norten but also technical skill. Patterson also had better recuperation abilities. I like Patterson to stop Norton in the middle rounds.
     
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  3. he grant

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    Very interesting fight ... I favor Norton but it could go either way ...
     
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  4. timmers612

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    I really liked what Floyd could do when he boxed at his best. Still I'm not sure what he would do with Norton's hard jab which came from a different postition them usual. Floyd at his best may have beemed Kenny with a big left hook, he was that fast. He wouldn't have stopped him, only the huge punchers did that to Ken, but I can see him dropping Ken along the line and winning a close decision.
     
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  5. Bokaj

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    I'm not sure Patterson edges Norton either in terms of power, technique or recuperation. Norton had 20+ pounds on Patterson, and punched hard enough to have Ali shaken on several occasion. I also think he had good technique, though awkward.

    As for recuperation, it's true that Patterson often came off the canvas to win, but when Liston hit him he stayed down. No real reason to believe it would have ended differently if he had taken the best shots of Foreman, Shavers or Cooney.
     
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  6. Loewe

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    Liston had trouble hitting Patterson´s head with the jab and decided to jab his shoulder instead. Norton´s wasn´t as good as Liston´s. I don´t think Patterson would have much problem with Norton´s jab.
     
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  7. Loewe

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    Liston was stylewise Patterson´s nightmare, which Norton was not, and was a harder puncher than Norton. Patterson had a better defence than Norton and was better technically. Even Ali said Patterson was the finest technician he ever faced. Patterson is imo a superior fighter to Norton whose standing is mostly based on his fights with Ali while ignoring the fact that he just had the right style for Ali.
     
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  8. Minotauro

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    Patterson via decision.
     
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  9. natonic

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    I like Patterson in this one. I like his quickness and agression. I don't think he'd stop him though. I'd lean toward Norton if there was a stoppage but I'll Patterson by decision. Too busy, too quick.
     
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  10. radianttwilight

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    Patterson KO.
     
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  11. Bokaj

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    I didn't compare Norton to Liston, rather how Patterson and Norton fared against the really big punchers they met, which was pretty poorly in both cases.

    You're right that Ali called Floyd the most skillful, though. That carries some weight.
     
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  12. Loewe

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    Well, that´s true but Liston was stylewise a nightmare for Patterson while Foreman, Shavers and Cooney all have different styles and money punches. And Patterson did well against other hws with good power - Archie Moore, Chuvalo and so on. Those are not in the league with the others but he proved he can take a solid punch. Imo a better one than Norton. Add than his power, speed and skill advantage and I just can´t see Norton beating him.
     
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  13. Bokaj

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    But Norton shook off some really good punches by Ali. It was only against the huge punchers that his jaw seemed to be a real problem.

    As for power, I would probably put them quite even. Speed is Floyd's major advantage, strength is Norton's. I have a hard time deciding which one poses the other the most stylistical problems.

    Even though Ali named Floyd as the more skillful, he seemed to have much more trouble getting to Norton. This was, of course, largely down to styles.

    For me Floyd has to take the fight to Norton in order to win. If he let's Norton became the stalking predator I feel Norton wins. When he was allowed to get into this mode he was very, very hard to beat.
     
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  14. Loewe

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    Ali was never a puncher. I think someone like Moore was a bigger puncher than Ali. And like you said the problems Norton gave Ali were a styles issue and due to the great work of Eddie Futch.

    I honestly think Norton wasn´t as good as some people think. Most people think highly of him because he gave Ai fits but ignore that this was because of styles and Futch.
     
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  15. Bokaj

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    I think Ali is a very underrated puncher. His handspeed was more or less equal to Floyd's, but he had almost 30 lbs on him. Why would Floyd's punches be that more devastating? I don't think Ellis would point to Floyd as the more devastating puncher.

    Saying Moore was a bigger puncher than Ali borders on the fanciful, IMO. Who did Moore ever KO than can even be compared to monsters as Lyle or Foreman? Or Liston for that matter.

    I think Norton's perfomance at 34 against Holmes was just as impressive as any of his fights against Ali. Add his wins over Young and Quarry to that and you have a guy who's very dangerous if you simply don't overpower him.
     
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