Paul Ingle

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  1. stakeout

    stakeout Active Member Full Member

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    Article in today's Times looking back to his final tragic fight v Botile in Sheffield 8 years ago. :-(

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/boxing/article5333063.ece

    Paul Ingle bitter as tragic anniversary looms

    There are no winners in this story. It has a victor in name alone, but two boxers who were both, effectively, defeated. They live on opposite sides of the world and are for ever linked by 12 hard rounds that left one man, Paul Ingle, fighting for his life and another, Mbulelo Botile, with a win so empty that he, too, would never recover.

    Tuesday will mark the eighth anniversary of the bout, although for both men there are haunting reminders every day. Ingle - the Yorkshire Hunter, as he was known - was a world champion featherweight, the hero of Scarborough, his home town, an uncomplicated boxer who threw punches at an astonishing rate. Botile was a precious success story in the industrial city of East London, South Africa, who had fought his way out of the slums of his sprawling, local township, a symbol of hope, a shanty town star.

    Ingle now lives in a three-bedroom semi-detached house with his mother and gets by on £56 a week of disability pension. His nine-stone fighting weight has become twice that, his speech is slow and his memory shot.

    At the end of the bout, Botile still had his health - and Ingle's world title. But his comparative wealth would soon drain, along with his sense of pride. He is known in East London for his drinking as much as his achievements in the ring. Both men are 36, neither has a job and they could do with one.

    December 16, 2000. This is the date that their story starts, in a ring in the Sheffield Arena, although the similarities stretch way back. When the first bell rang, Ingle was the champion and favourite, yet both men had risen to be the poster-boys of their communities.

    In East London, where boxing has a rich history, Botile's achievements earned him a house in the white suburbs, won him popularity alongside another local world champion, Vuyani Bungu, and they learnt the relationship between success, friends and hangers-on. Likewise Ingle in Scarborough. In the late 1990s he was the town's big news, the man everyone wanted to know, an honest alternative to Naseem Hamed, the flash, bragging rival from the other side of Yorkshire.

    Ingle fought and lost to Hamed, but the courageous manner of his defeat only fanned his popularity. In Scarborough, they loved him and, because of his innate humility, he never left them, never scoured the horizon for a brighter set of lights.

    Indeed, this may have been Ingle's downfall. People in Scarborough wanted to drink with him and he found it hard to say no, so hard that as the Botile bout approached, he had to shed an unfeasible amount of weight, one observer claiming that it was three stone in seven weeks. Conditioning in such circumstances is so tough that at least two members of his camp threatened to walk out on him.

    So to December 16: Botile controls the bout, puts Ingle down in the eleventh round and knocks him down again with a left uppercut in the twelfth. Here the nightmare unfolds: Botile had an uncle, a fabulous bantamweight who died in the ring, and his thoughts flashed to him when he saw Ingle lying prone, then being taken away on a stretcher.

    For Ingle, another fight was just beginning. He survived the removal of a blood clot from his brain, then battled against his speech impediment and memory loss and had to teach himself to walk again.

    Within a few months his relationship with his fiancée had broken down. Perhaps his biggest challenge was wrestling with his identity: if no longer the champion of Scarborough and the world, then who?

    Down a phone line from his house in East London, Botile starts to bring his story up to date. “For two weeks after the fight I could hardly sleep at all,” he says. Three months later, he would have to turn his mind to his first defence, against Frank Toledo, an American infinitely inferior to Ingle, but Botile barely won a round. “I was not myself against Toledo,” he says. “Because Paul was still in hospital and I was thinking about him. I just wanted him to wake up.”

    The next year, when he boxed and lost again, he was still a haunted man. “I was so upset in that fight,” he says. “I was getting a headache in the ring and I was scared to die.”

    That seemed a reasonable point to end his career, until 2 years later, when his bank balance told him that he needed another payday. He was so out of condition by then that Mzi Mnguni, his manager, refused to work with him. It was his last bout and a third consecutive defeat.

    “In that last one he was terrible,” Mnguni says. “He was fat. He was no longer a serious fighter. My expectations of Botile were very high, but after the Ingle fight he was never the same again.

    “I don't know whether it got to him mentally, but I had a problem getting him right. And he decided to live a life that was not complementary to his profession.”

    As with Ingle, popularity and wealth did Botile few favours. “It is easy to have friends when the money is there,” Mnguni says. “But when it isn't there any more, you have few.”

    Botile claims that he was underpaid for the Ingle contest. “I went to fight Paul Ingle for $95,000,” he says. He says that he received less than a quarter of that.

    Even so, his career brought him comparative riches. He bought a taxi company, which failed. His drinking increased. “I made lots of money,” he says. “But at this time I am surviving. I don't have the boxing money any more.”

    His old friend Bungu says: “When you used to be a champion and you are not any more, that is the problem. Botile - he cannot take it. He's frustrated. He's spent all his money. He stays in his house, drinking too much. He is not OK.”

    Where Botile and Ingle are so intertwined is in their search for an inner peace. If every night could be like the benefit night organised in Ingle's honour last year in Scarborough, he might be a happy man. He entered the room that night flanked by Nigel Benn and Steve Collins, both former middleweight world champions, with Collins holding the Ingle's arms aloft as if he were king of the world.

    However, an interview on Radio 5 Live last year is a better insight. Ingle said that he “absolutely detests” boxing and has “washed my hands of it”. His rage and four-letter tirades were such that the interview had to be restarted two or three times.

    “When I was fighting I was 100 miles an hour on the go all the time,” he says. “Now it's just come to a brick wall and I can't climb over it. It's stuck in your face all the time. I think, ‘Get back in training and do this and do that.' Then you realise you can't do it no more. It's just an absolute eye-filler.

    “I can't work, I do nothing, living on the money I've got and the disability money I receive. That ain't enough to scratch your arse.”

    During Ingle's career, his earnings went well past £650,000 and add to that the £50,000 compensation insurance he received from the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBC). He would not be the first to ignore the financial advice received in his heyday because he never envisaged his big earning period coming to an end.

    He still lives in Scarborough, although he is no longer quite the toast of the town. “Everyone's just shut the book and forgotten about me,” he says. Which is not entirely true. For example, although the BBBC invited him to its 75th anniversary over and over again, he never replied. Clearly he feels the victim. “He is a lost soul,” Steve Pollard, his former trainer, says. “It's tragic for the kid.”

    Tom Shillaw, his friend and nutritionist at the time, says: “What people forget is Paul is very bright, articulate and witty. And his faculties are all there. But he's had a very hard fall and how do you come back from that?”

    Neil Featherby, his fitness coach at the time, says: “It's all very sad. For a 5ft 4in featherweight, he was a giant of a man.” Featherby believes that Ingle would benefit from a lifestyle coach, someone to help to reignite a spark of motivation. Pollard got him a licence to work as a second cornerman, but Ingle never took it up.

    “For me, it would be great if Paul could have a role, saying to young boxers, ‘This is what you do in this sport and this is what you don't do,' ” Featherby says. “That is what Paul should be doing now.”

    This story could have had a convenient ending, at Ingle's benefit night, but Botile did not make it. His passport had run out and he also harboured a concern - surely misplaced - that he would receive a negative reception.

    Instead, they are fighting their own lonely battles. Botile is talking about becoming a trainer but gets by selling liquor from his house. For Ingle, the horizon holds very little. “I still think about him big time,” Botile says. “Because he is my kind. But I never meant to hurt him. Boxing is just a game.” On December 16, 2000, boxing was more than just a game.
     
  2. nulty

    nulty Guest

    Remember that night like it was yesterday. So sad.
     
  3. FLINT ISLAND

    FLINT ISLAND PENYRHEOL Full Member

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    Paul wasnt good enough

    I'm just talking about the fight here........not the tragic end

    Like Spencer Oliver.............he werent good enough

    Oliver too suffered life threatening injury

    They took bad beatings because they werent good enough

    But they werent bad either

    So neither was blown away early

    But took bad beatings down in a long tough fight

    Oliver fight I cant remeber the way it went so much

    But I remeber Ingle at the end took a terrible hiding and slumed to the canvas

    It was because of his heart that he got hurt

    If he had gone out of the fight earlier he might have been ok
     
  4. brown bomber

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    Wrong.. both performed well below their normal standard. Both came into the fights fair favourites but were caught early, wobbled and took a number of heavy shots through the course of the fight. Ingle and Oliver were better boxers then Devakov and Boitile. They just had very bad nights at the office with horrific results.
     
  5. FLINT ISLAND

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    :think

    had Oliver or Ingle beaten anyone as good as them to date though

    a 10 round war with Pat Mullings dont make Oliver World Class

    he was hyped up

    then found out at European level
     
  6. nufc16

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    ingle had beaten junior jones and medina the fights before, who, while not world class were at least as credible or talented an opponent as botile was.
     
  7. nulty

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    Medina and Jones were top fighters.

    To say Medina wasn't world class is a joke.
     
  8. 9Ball

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    Yes Medina was a top quality pro in his day, he fought (after Ingle) Johnny Tapia, JMM, Scott Harrison(x2) Baloyi (x2) and Kevin Kelley to name but a few.
    Can't understand why anyone would not rate Medina as world class.
    We're not talking ATG or HOF or anything, but Medina WAS world class. No doubt.
     
  9. MightyLondoner

    MightyLondoner Underdog Full Member

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    I think everyone is losing touch on what this thread is about, its not about how good Ingle was or wasn't, its about remembering what happened.
     
  10. FLINT ISLAND

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    I dont think anyone.........espicially myself ............is saying Medina was not world class

    however he was a veteran with many hard fights behind him

    his ragged tired abused face told its own story

    I just feel ingle caught him at the right time

    if he had fought medina in the 90's a differnet story i think

    that goes for scott harrison too.............harrison has the face of a ****** by the way :lol::rofl:yep;)
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Ingle had beaten Jones, Mcmillan and Medina who were at least Botiles equal.

    Oliver was a phenom and the manner of his victories were incredible, he could do it all and watching his performances even now he looks sensational. The win over Mullings didn't make him world class but the subsequent performances against Krastev, Poliban, Belcastro and Benichou undoubtably did. Belcastro had beaten Devakov so its safe to say he was of a similer standard... Come on Flint - your better then this.

    And your right ML prayers and respect to both fighters, I wish them both the very best. The talent they brought to the ring was incredible- these guys would have beat the likes of Appleby and co with ease.
     
  12. 9Ball

    9Ball Smeghead Full Member

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    Absolutely right me old Cockney Sparra!
    Both amazing fighters, a real pity for them and their families.

    :good
     
  13. bronze_bandit

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    True warriors of the game....
    i've been to scarborough an know the people there still have a great load of respect for him...
    He ran Naz close until he was caught by that infamous one inch punch an those wars he had with medina an the brawl with poison junior jones were a joy to watch!!?
    I bow my hat to you both!!
     
  14. D_XZ

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    Ingle was a world champion with some good wins behind him. Coming onto a thread like this and belittling the man has to be the most pathetic thing I've seen on these boards.

    Yes we are still proud of him in Scarborough. I remember all the rumours about his preparation for that fight. We still hear about boxers taking desperate last minute hard training to make the weight today. I really believe that boxers should be regularly checked and weighed by an independant health assessor in the run up to a fight to make sure they are preparing safely.

    Paul wasn't a powerful or flashy fighter but he was traditionally skilled, put out a fantastic workrate and never let his world champion status go to his head. Good guy
     
  15. griff

    griff WOODDDDDDDYA Full Member

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    I loved watching Ingle & Oliver.