Paul Williams is a shot fighter.

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Paul's never gonna fix his D, nor technique. Its a TOTALLY diff situation than Wlad. And Wlad(much as I hate him) has many more tools than Paul.
     
  2. realdeal561

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    :lol::lol: I lol'd. Few things online make me lol, and you sir have done it. Hahhaha
     
  3. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Paul has all the physical capability to be a champion on the level of Wlad in the lower weight classes but he's not fighting in a technical style.

    He needs to spar with more southpaws if he can't deal with southpaws and he needs to specifically train to avoid that overhand left. If he can't learn to counter that punch he should retire.
     
  4. Bobby Heenan

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    my word...his people would have to be charged for crimes should they ever sign him for a 3rd martinez fight...
     
  5. theflyest

    theflyest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    not really. Quintana-Williams 1 was embarrassing. It's like people forgot this fight ever happened. He looked awful. Got the KO in the 2nd fight before the fight could develop but prolly would have been outboxed again. They robbed Martinez in the first fight. Got KO'd by a more prepared more Martinez. Got his ass beat again by the Lara. The point is a mobile southpaw is William's kryptonite. Has nothing to do with being shot
     
  6. Xplosive

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    Outside of being tall..... what physical tools does Paul have?

    He's not a big puncher, doesnt have tremdous handspeed, has shitty reflexes, poor footwork, and is dumb as a brick.

    How can he improve?
     
  7. Bobby Heenan

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    ehh....does he though....not fleet or nimble of foot really.....like somebody just said "thats what hes always been"

    the guy doesnt move well...hes a tall fighter but doesnt have great range...a guy with his size/length should be able to control from the outside.....but he cant
     
  8. Boxmaster

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    What tool does Wlad have that Williams doesn't have? Power?

    Wlad is just a really big and technically sound fighter. He wasn't that fighter until he got knocked out and got a new trainer who taught him to be that fighter.

    Williams is similar. He has unique abilities like he can throw 100 punches a round. He also has brilliant infighting, something Wlad can't do. But he has one weakness, he does not utilize his height or technical abilities when he's at long range.

    When he's infighting he looks like James Toney, he beats the **** out of just about anybody, and does so with technique and skill not physical ability. But then when at long range suddenly he's getting beat to the punch, beat with the jab, or countered with the overhand left, and there is no reason he has to be weak at long range.

    Physically if he just uses his height and fights a boring but technical style fight, he easily will beat Martinez, Lara, or that style of fighter in general. He wont be jumping in throwing 100 punches a round, but more like 50 punches, and he will have to just fight a boring technical cerebral style fight.

    The problem is he just doesn't strike me as being very intelligent. Someone who gets knocked out by the overhand left to the chin you'd think would spend the next year focusing on improving defense for that specific punch or punches like that punch and he didn't adapt. His ring IQ is zero and thats because of his trainer.
     
  9. Sean Juan

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    Not sure what you guys are talking about. Williams is limited as hell and always has been. Hes nothing but a big guy who has built his name overwhelming littler guys, most of them old and shot. Sharmbe Mitchell, Verno Phillips, Winky Wright....


    This night really raised alot of questions about the 154 pound division.
     
  10. Boxmaster

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    He moves really well at a certain specific range. Close range very few people can beat him. In a way he's like James Toney, when James Toney fights at his range he can dominate anybody including Wlad or Vitali, but when he's forced to fight outside of range he can be outboxed. Very few fighters can fight at any range. Wlad can't really fight inside, but he learned to keep opponents outside.

    Williams can fight inside, and because of his height and reach he can learn to fight outside too, but he's one of these overly talented inside fighters (Toney is like this too), who just simply relies on his talent and who at some point just stopped trying to do more.

    Williams proved he has power when he sat on his punches. So he can learn new techniques and if he can do that why couldn't he learn the Wlad jab? The Klitschko jab is not hard to learn for someone with his height and reach. He just isn't trying to learn it and I think it's stupid as hell.


    And he showed he CAN Jab properly. In the first minute of the fight he was throwing a proper jab and using his height and then just seems like he got hit on the chin and forgot everything.
     
  11. Xplosive

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    This post was ******ed enough..... until you compared Paul to James Toney.... at which point I stopped reading.

    Go away.
     
  12. Boxmaster

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    Yeah, like Wlad.

    And look at how far you can take that if you have good technique.

    The point is you don't have to be anything but big and technically skilled to beat the majority of fighters. And Williams is big, he just needs to learn just a few things.

    1. Perfect the goddamn jab.
    2. Perfect the defense which works for his height (not James Toney's height.)
    3. Learn to counter the goddamn overhand left.

    He's a very strong fighter who got beat by one punch. He didn't get dominated by Lara or Martinez physically, he got beat tactically. He needs to start using his height as a tactic the same way they use that overhand left.
     
  13. JMP

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    On the inside, Williams is wide open for right hooks. Toney was wide open for...well, nothing at all. In close, Williams is what you see. Toney had all sorts of tools at his disposal and happened to be one of the craftiest fighters ever. I don't see the comparison.
     
  14. Boxmaster

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    Williams is a brilliant inside fighter, just like James Toney.

    If everybody fought Williams on the inside, everybody would lose just like anyone would lose fighting James Toney on the inside.

    Watch the fights that Williams lost. He never got dominated on the inside by anyone. In fact the only way to beat him is from the outside and by timing him with wide looping shots, or with the overhand left.
     
  15. Boxmaster

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    Who landed a right hook on Williams on the inside?

    Williams was beating the **** out of Lara and Martinez on the inside. Did we see the same fight?

    Williams was hitting Lara with 4-5 hooks to the head and body at a time, uppercutting him from odd angles, and just generally beating the **** out of him on the inside.

    So what did Lara do? He adapted by fighting on the outside which is why Peterson said he was running around the ring. Yeah he was running around the ring because Williams is actually a talented inside fighter. Quintana ended up running around the ring and so did Martinez, but what they did right is they didn't back straight up. They backed up to the side and timed the overhand left.

    Williams should watch the tapes. They knew he would come forward with his chin out fighting small, and simply timed him knowing where his chin would be.