Paul Williams is all wrong for Pavlik

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  1. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have a feeling we're in for a big surprise when Williams and Pavlik face off. I think kelly is going to have a hard time dealing with the punch output that williams brings. On the other hand, we aren't sure how Williams will handle the weight jump and take punches from the hardest punching Middleweight. Either way, I think this isn't going the distance. My prediction is either Kelly takes him out early within 5 or Williams stops Kelly late in the 10th.
     
  2. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Lets see now, Pavlik took about 50 flush shots from Miranda, a couple hundred from Taylor over 2 fights, and 180 pounds of Bernard Hopkins used his head for a speed bag for 12 rounds, but PWilly is gonna stop him:patsch

    Nonsense!
     
  3. darthhutchence

    darthhutchence Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The only way Williams can knock out the ghost ,is if he borrows margarito's handwraps!
     
  4. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think Williams can knock Pavlik out with 1 punch but the 100+ punches per round over 12 rounds can make any fighter wear down as the fight progresses.
     
  5. Chiko_Tech

    Chiko_Tech Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Williams do not hit as hard to stop Pavlik but this is boxing strage things happens, still i think Pavlik could ko Williams.
     
  6. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Williams is not going to throw 100 punches a round against Pavlik. If he tries that, he won't last 5 rounds. Check the punch stats for Pavlik/Miranda. In the very first round Pavlik threw 97 punches while Miranda threw 94 back at him. After that they both slowed down a bit, but not much. The difference is Miranda hits like a truck and tries to take a guy's head off with every punch. PW throws arm punches. He doesn't even get full extension most of the time. That is not going to bother KP at all.

    I honestly hope Williams and Peterson do focus a lot on work rate, because doing that against Pavlik is the worst possible approach. If PWilly wants to win, he needs to move around alot, run and pot shot, blister and move, and pick his battles wisely. If he tries to overwhelm Pavlik with work rate, it's gonna get real ugly, real fast.
     
  7. No10Point

    No10Point Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont see Williams having the power to KO Pavlik.
    I think Hopkins is a MUCH bigger puncher and he was having his way with him and didnt KO him.

    Should be a good fight though.
    Lets see who wins...
     
  8. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    There's been a lot of this "Williams is all wrong for Pavlik" going around. Frankly, it's just bull****. If there's one thing Pavlik does well, it's to back up and destroy fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches. That is what Paul Williams does: he STANDS in front of his opponents, dangles his arms down and gets off. He is very, very hittable from that position. Pavlik will get to him, and Williams isn't going to outmuscle or outwork Pavlik. If he does engage, he'll get sparked out.

    Tricky fighters with movement and unpredictable angles may give Pavlik trouble. That is not what Paul Williams does. If you can't see that, go back and watch his fights.
     
  9. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    This is the Truth. :good
     
  10. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pavlik's cryptonite is ring movement/good use of footwork, and other complementary things like timing and use of angles.

    Workrate isn't really a big advantage for Williams here, Pavlik certainly knows how to throw a lot of punches too. I'd say if it turned into that sort of fight Williams might find himself in deep trouble.

    Williams wants to pick his shots and use a lot of movement so Pavlik can't set himself (biggest key to beating Pavlik). If he is standing in one place for significant periods of time, trying to unload a lot of punches, that likely won't bode well for him.

    Movement is the key for Williams, Pavlik might not be the most complex fighter but not many people can afford to stand in front of him.
     
  11. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    But Williams does stand in front of his opponents, and he doesn't use much footwork and angles. Maybe he has an ability to do this that will show itself against Pavlik; I don't know. But he hasn't shown it so far. Too many people on here that think that just anyone can do what Bernard Hopkins can do.
     
  12. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    That's the crazy thing! Expecting Williams to fight like BHop is exactly like expecting Pavlik to fight like Quintana! Those two fights have very little bearing on a Pavlik/Williams match-up.

    This is not a complicated fight. I like my Pit-Bull/Doberman anaology! A Doberman is sleek and fast, light, quick, and nimble on it's feet, and it has a ton of heart. However, the Pit Bull is just gonna keep comin'! It knows one thing; get that throat and rip it out! The smart money goes on the pit bull:deal
     
  13. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :huhScoring from unpredictable angles is one of Williams strengths.
     
  14. lONGCOUNTED

    lONGCOUNTED I Killed MMA Full Member

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    Boo, that analogy made me cringe because it lead me to think about that ******* getting another chance to make millions of dollars in the NFL.
     
  15. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Did two different people write the thread title and the opening post? :?

    Edit the title to "Either Paul Williams is all wrong for Pavlik or he might get sparked out in the first few rounds, I can't really decide"....