Paul Williams loss to Quintanna

It doesn't get any better.

 

well considering calzaghe had a pretty tough time doing it as well...

paul clearly had an off night. something was wrong in that fight. you could tell in the post-fight interview that he really wasn't worried about it. seemed like he knew it wasn't a big deal and he would come back and easily mop up quintana in a rematch.

 

you really can't even compare hopkins and williams.

and i'm thinking the same thing about williams output and gameplan changing as soon as kelly lands something big and clean.

 

i know. sorry if i made it sound like that's the direction i was taking that statement.

agreed. williams has shown he's got a damn good chin up to this point. it's really tough to say how he will be affected by big shots from pavlik. i'm assuming they will be detrimental to his style and gameplan as well and that's the main reason i think he will lose this fight.

 

:dealThis. He also took the fight at short notice and lacked enthusiasm for it. Between rounds it also looked as if he wasn't concentrating on the advice and job-in-hand. It's one of those situations where losing your '0' helps you no end- it can rejuvinate and reinspire a fighter. With these things in consideration, please remember that is was still a close fight (by no means a bad loss) and Williams did lose on points.

All of that said, it's no substitue for actually watching the fight to garner an opinion on it. I recommend you watch it:good.

 

I agree that power will get PW's respect, and close down his workrate. However, one thing people generally ignore or just flat refuse to acknowledge is that in the 2nd fight Pavlik countered JT's right with a jab on many occasions, and he countered his jab with lead right several times. He beat Jermain ****ing Taylor to the punch! If he can counter JT, trust me, he can counter Williams.

Back on topic, I don't think we should make to much out of the loss to Quintana. Carlos was on that night! He put on a once in a life time performance against an under prepared Williams.

 

:huh I did watch the fight my man...Just because I didnt give a break down on how it went down doesnt mean I didnt watch it.

Quintana took advantage of a under prepared Williams...Williams couldnt get anything off without eating a left crosses...I did take notice on how frustrated and lost Williams was...No one can take what Quintana did to Williams that night (layed a blue print on how to negate a volume puncher)

With that being said...that lost was what Williams needed.

 

It wasnt an "off" night for Wiliams he just got out boxed by a better prepared fighter. In fact the first round of the second fight was going the exact same way the first did until williams caught Quintana. Quintana still landed the same overhand punch he did in the first with little defensive resistance from williams. I think the blue print for beating Williams has been laid, eventhough he has improved in his last outings.

 

pw had an off night simple as that:deal

But he took care of Quintana in the rematch:good

 

Lol here come the excuses, Quintana had a perfect fight that night. He was catching Williams as soon as he would try to come in with flurries

 

It was the classic good movement and good timing over workrate. Which in all honesty is the case most of the time. But the thing is, that is not the same fighter today that fought Carlos back then. See, Quintana was able to counter him badly because Williams use to have this horrible habit of backing straight up and dropping his guard when doing so. Vs a fighter with the timing Quintana has, that was poison.

That said, those bad habits are completely gone. He didnt do it against Winky (which is a good thing, seeing as how Wright's timing is 10x that of Quintana's) and was actually very difficult to hit in that fight...as evident by the fact that Wright actually threw about 3x as many overall jabs than he did in the Hopkins fight, and still landed fewer and at a lower % (23% vs Paul, 30% vs Bernard)...and we are talking one of the best jabs of this era.

So, to answer your question...Williams was completely outboxed in that first fight...but honestly, that loss awoke a beast. He has improved more since that fight then any fighter I have ever seen. As I said in another post, from Quintana 1 - Phillips, most fighters dont see that kind of improvement in a career...and the funny thing is, he improved moreso from Phillips - Wright.

Hope that helps...

 

I don't think Wright's timing right now is that much better than Quintana's. I see them as different styles entirely...Wright as a defensive pressure fighter who covers up/blocks then throws, Quintana as a mover/cutie who tries to limit a fighter's workrate and counterpunches off of their mistakes.

 

Wright was able to time Hopkins very well with the jab (more on that later)...and your right, they are completely different fighters. But as you said, they both rely on their timing to produce their offense. One sits behind a wonderful guard and either shoots his amazing jab (one of the best of this era) or times his counter hook off of it...the other likes to time fighters either coming in before they throw or after they are done flurrying.

Nobody said they were similar in style...what was said was Winky has better timing than Carlos. And over the years has proven it time in and time out.

As for how well Wright can time now...to base him solely off of his last fight (where he got manhandled, but still looked strong and put together his offense and defense well) is an unfair assessment. I mean, he landed that jab at 30% on Hopkins when they fought. Any idea how many times a fighter before Winky had done that? One...Taylor in their rematch. Id say his timing is just fine...