Paulie On Pac: No Credit For Guys Who Hide And Duck RBT

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  1. texboxing00

    texboxing00 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This guy should show us his Phd in science. Guys making these test are doctors & scientis. We are suppose to take a *******s word for it lol.
     
  2. brendo

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    Happily :yep

    The Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) is currently composed of two modules:
    The Haematological Module, introduced in December 2009, aims to identify enhancement of oxygen transport, including use of erythropoiesis-stimulating agents and any form of blood transfusion or manipulation.

    http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources/Q-and-A/Athlete-Biological-Passport/
     
  3. brendo

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    Agreed, couple of months and i can show you mine :happy
     
  4. Piece

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    From the SAME website.

    Does the ABP replace traditional doping control?


    No. The fight against doping relies on several strategies, including the direct testing of athletes as well as evidence gathered in the context of non-analytical anti-doping rule violations. By combining these strategies, and seeking new ones to address emerging threats, the global fight against doping is more effective.
    The typical doping control approach based on the detection of prohibited substance or their metabolites in an athlete’s sample is an effective approach; however it has limitations when an athlete may be using substances on an intermittent and/or low-dose basis. Furthermore, new substances or modifications of prohibited substances (e.g. designer drugs) may be difficult to detect by conventional analytical means. In recent years, doping regimes have become much more scientifically planned and have taken advantage of the weaknesses in traditional protocols. The ABP complements the traditional anti-doping testing approach to enhance the cost-efficiency of anti-doping programs.

    Is there any mandatory requirement in the ABP?



    WADA’s ABP Guidelines foster consistency and uniformity in application, without mandating specific administrative or procedural elements. Each Anti-Doping Organization remains free to implement the recommended processes suggested in the Guidelines to reflect its own resources and context.

    Nevertheless, a series of mandatory protocols related to sample collection, analysis and legal considerations must be rigorously followed to ensure both legal fortitude, scientific certainty, and to support mutual recognition and sharing of data between organizations. These mandatory protocols are given in the Appendices of the Guidelines. Only programs that fully adhere to these protocols and fully utilize ADAMS can be considered official ABP programs rather than general ‘profiling’ programs.


    Are all Anti-Doping Organizations (ADOs) expected to run both Modules?



    No. An assessment of the physiological risks of sports and their disciplines should be carried out in order to ascertain which module(s) may be applicable.

    The Haematological Module evaluates red blood cell variables. Red blood cells carry oxygen to the cells, and therefore blood manipulation is likely in sports where endurance is advantageous to athletes (e.g. use of erythrocyte stimulating agents or blood transfusions). However, the advantage of improving oxygen carrying capacity extends to sports that are not typically endurance events, but nevertheless have a large aerobic component. For the Haematological Module, athletes must be identified by the ADOs as being part of the ABP program, as there are specific blood tests that must be obtained.
    The Steroidal Module refers to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids, which may be particularly abused by athletes in sports requiring strength and power. These substances may also increase the production of red blood cells and affect recovery. Therefore, they may also be used by endurance athletes.
    All urine samples will be automatically analyzed for the steroid profile, which means that any athlete who has been tested is essentially part of a Passport program. As soon as an athlete has more than one urine sample analyzed, a longitudinal steroid profile will be established in ADAMS.


    Should an ADO have implemented the Haematological Module in order to run the Steroidal Module?



    No. All urine samples are analyzed for the steroid profile with results reported in ADAMS by the WADA accredited laboratories, regardless whether a blood sample was collected at the same time on the athlete or more generally whether the ADO implemented the Haematological Module.


    What if a sport does not require endurance or strength? Should the ADO still implement a module of the Passport?



    The Steroidal Module will automatically be applied, i.e. ordinary urine tests will be part of the Steroid Module. The ADO may decide that the Haematological Module is not a necessary part of their overall anti-doping strategy and need not be implemented.



    BAM...

    DESTROYED!!!!


    Mr SCIENTIST uses WIKI??? LOL LOL LOL

    You claim to be a PHD but you use WIKI on your papers????

    LOL

    LOL

    That's what you use as your source?

    BS!!!
     
  5. Piece

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    Which forms of transfusions can be detected?A test for homologous blood transfusions (HBT) was implemented at the 2004 Summer Olympic Games in Athens.

    WADA is funding research projects aimed at developing a test for autologous transfusions.

    In order to further improve detection of abnormal blood profiles, WADA is leading the development of a strategy against doping in sport called the Athlete Passport, which is based on following athlete's biological variables over time. The objective of this strategy, which will be added to other anti-doping strategies including "traditional" testing, is to detect abnormal variations of determined biological variables in order to better target testing and/or sanction those found with abnormal variations.



    I just CAN'T STOP BEATING BRENDO'S ASS!!!

    LOL!!!


    There is only ONE CURRENT SCIENTIFICALLY VALID WAY TO detect URINE!!!


    They also said there would be FLYING cars by NOW!!!!


    THE "DOCTOR" that uses WIKI on his PAPERS GOT DESTROYED!!!!


    HE's about to go into FULL TIME ***** MODE!!!!


    LOL


    LOL


    LOL
     
  6. brendo

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    So you agree, blood-testing and urine testing should be combined for best practice.

    And both Urine and ABP can be used for detection of EPO, but both have limitations.

    Phew we were going round in circles there.
     
  7. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't want this DOCTOR working on ME!!!

    He can't figure out when something is in development stages and when something is currently being practiced.

    NO ATTENTION TO DETAIL!!!!

    It's the DETAIL that COUNTS!!!
     
  8. brendo

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    You are a weird guy..:patsch

    Are you saying that ABP is in the developmental stage?

    "The Haematological Module,
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    , aims to identify enhancement of oxygen transport, including use of erythropoiesis-stimulating agents and any form of blood transfusion or manipulation."
     
  9. Piece

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    Yeah, I agree, methods should be progressively developed to enhance detection ability.

    But for the sake of this argument, Pacquaio later agreed to drug testing.

    This has been a non-issue for 5 years.
     
  10. Piece

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    Read the post above that.

    It goes into detail about ABP.

    It clearly states it's developmental.

    As of right now, urine is the only scientifically valid way to detect EPO.

    BTW...it's from the same website.

    http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources/Q-and-A/Blood-Doping/
     
  11. brendo

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    No.
    Its the only scientifically valid method to DIRECTLY detect EPO. As you say the key is the detail. Blood testing can detect it indirectly.

    Again, ABP has been used to convict athletes without urine.

    "These two completed cases involving the Athlete Biological Passport Program (ABP) represent a significant step in the global fight against doping in sport. The ABP has proven it can withstand legal and scientific challenges. Further, as stated in the Caucchioli decision, the ABP is considered a valid and reliable method for indirectly detecting doping." From WADA since you dont think the new york times is a reliable source.

    http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Media-Ce...ized-by-CAS-as-valid-instrument-in-the-fight/

    This was from 2011!
     
  12. Sweet Jones

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    Hush, chile. It works better when you imagine that blood testing's sole purpose is for EPO.

    That strawman is all they have left. ;)
     
  13. Mind Reader

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    Mayweather doesn't have principles.

    He is no less suspicious than Pac in my eyes.

    But I also think most use some sort of PED.
     
  14. Piece

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    Blood is used to as a screener.

    The problem with blood is it cannot determine whether it's an internal or external source.

    Only urine can validate that for now.

    So, yes, blood and urine is the BEST way to detect it; however, urine alone is all that is necessary.

    That's my point.

    But man, come on. If you're really going to be a Dr, you shouldn't have used WIKI as your sources.

    Other than that...

    We can both agree.
     
  15. brendo

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    Well no, the ABP is a scientifically valid method of detecting blood manipulation, so it is not always used exclusively as a 'screen-er'.

    Secondly, i agree that blood and urine is the best, and urine has
    many limitations as stated on the WADA website.

    Lastly, im posting on a f**cking boxing forum, wiki is fine for those purposes...

    Anyway, cheers for the debate, maybe tone down the insults next time? :good