Pavlik: “By beating the crap out of (Martinez), we’ll silence the Williams camp,”

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Hermit, Mar 11, 2010.


  1. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    I've got a question well not to hermit cause he has me on ignored but if Pavlik was forced to fight in which his hand is still not healing, how in the world Pavlik and his team wants to fight Williams on that same day if Pavlik not 100 percent? Didn't Jack made it clearly he doesn't want Pavlik to fight Williams if Pavlik not 100 percent?
     
  2. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    i don't get into who is ducking or not ducking who. i never have. but the fight with williams wasnt happening, after which kelly is told if he doesnt fight he's stripped. in fact, kelly couldnt completely make a fist until about 4 weeks before the espino fight and even then it wasnt 100%. the espino fight was brought to kelly three days before he said make it.

    take that for what its worth. i'm not assigning blame or pointing fingers.

    espino could be beat w/ one hand. hence the fight. kelly said if it were up to him he wouldnt have fought until the new year (this year) b/c of the hand.
     
  3. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    So is that mean Pavlik is lying about wanting to fight Williams on the same date that his hand is not even close to 100 percent?
     
  4. ConcretePete

    ConcretePete Active Member Full Member

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    I never said it was a bad strategy, I'd only be worried because this is where Jack Loews gameplans begin and end. Maybe if he's feeling fancy he'll get Pavlik to go southpaw and flick out the jab.
     
  5. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Again. The facts are out there and easily understandable. People purposely turn a blind eye to make a point. Not sure why you would want to look uninformed. I guess if you get enough people ignoring the same facts and reinforcing each other they think their belief trumps reality. We shall see come March. :yep
     
  6. dbouziane

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    as it turns out the fight should never have been signed the second time. he's told the staph is gone but the hand was still ****ed up and the rehab didnt progress as quickly as they would have liked.

    lying about wanting to? no. jumping the gun on saying physically able to? turns out it was.
     
  7. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Absolutely wrong. Get a copy of the Lyell/Duddy fight. You can hear Jack through out the entire fight because the commentators must be right next to his corner. Never once does he tell Billy Lyell to double the jab. Different fight. Different fighters. Different game plan. JACK can switch it up. Just happens that the double jab is an important part of KELLY'S arsenal.
     
  8. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    that we will, my friend :deal
     
  9. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Thank you for your honesty db. Too bad Hermit can't be honest cause his mad crush for Pavlik.
     
  10. EleventhHour

    EleventhHour Got Dat Black & Gold Soul Full Member

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    Jesus, who cares who's ducking who? Maybe they'll fight, maybe they won't. Nothing we argue about here is going to affect it. They're both great fighters and it'll be a good fight if it happens. If it doesn't, we'll live.

    Yeeeeeesh. :patsch
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dbooty is usually pretty honest.


    He's still one of the hicks from Hicksville.
     
  12. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    you know it. i conduct business and review files from my office chair :deal

    This content is protected
     
  13. aceshigh

    aceshigh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loew is Pavliks trainer so he's the best.

    Arum is Pavliks promoter so he's the best.

    HBO shows Pavlik fights (sometimes) so it's the best.

    Pavlik Fan is Pavliks paper boy so he's the best.

    ect......ect...........
     
  14. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    lmfao...maybe bute..dirrell boxes a clinic and schools him, makes kp chase him for 12 rounds and kp loses a lopsided decision 116-112 (maybe not lopsided but clear)

    ward beats on him and keeps him turning and unable to set for 12 rounds and takes a 117-111 (something like that)

    aa knocks him out late

    kessler wins a close but clear decision

    he prolly stays competitive with froch

    he beats allan green..

    Ur right..he can beat froch and green, maybe bute....
     
  15. jopez707

    jopez707 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Pavlik, doesn't watch out he is going to get the crap beat out of him. This is no Gary Lockett or Miguel Espino, Martinez is a top 20 fighter pound4pound, and has all the tools to make Pavlik look like a fool. This is definitely Pavlik's first real challenge in a long time, like 1 1/2 years ago when he got taken to school by the "Old Master" Hopkins.