Pavlik & AA - Who ducked who?

no one ducked BUT abraham pushed for the fight, numerous times and in public. Pavlik didn't. i know there is money and politics to consider but one man wanted the fight BADLY and one man was willing to let his promoter make excuses for avoiding it

 

Abraham called out DeLaHoya too. By your logic Oscar is a ducker.

 

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haha, yeah but EVERYONE calls out oscar. **** i called out oscar once. the point is AA is pavlik's TRUE rival and the only middle worth a ****. the division has two fighters, one isn't terrible eager to fight the other.

 

I guess it means don't **** with him during Halloween?

 

When did promoting a Sauerland fighter become Top Ranks responsibility? I've heard that argument before, and honestly Billy, it makes absolutley no sense.

And yes, AA would bring in some German TV revenue. My understanding is that Sauerland/Abraham want 100% of that revenue, and a hefty guarantee.

People seem to lose track of the fact that Pavlik beat the man who vacated the title Abraham holds. Hopkins unified the division. Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Taylor vacated the IBF and WBA titles. After AA won the IBF title, JT offered him a fight. Sauerland said no thanks, and made a fight with Demers. Pavlik then beat Taylor twice. Pav is The Middleweight Champion of the World. Arthur is just a challenger who happens to have a title.

When a challenger calls out the champ, he can expect the champion's promoter to lay out a few conditions. Arum ask Sauerland to do one thing. Sauerland failed to comply.

 

I don't know the exact answer to this, but Pavlik hasn't wanted anyone good since Hopkins clowned his ass. And in fact, he hasn't risked his title against anyone good since winning it about two years ago. It looks to me like the Hopkins fight may have taken away his self-confidence, and his people's confidence in him.

 

so you are saying its 100% his fault that he had to fight jt at a catchweight after taking his strap?? b/c if my memory serves me correctly...and i know it does...jt exercised his rematch clause immediately and pav beat him again. its not pav's fault that the contract was above mw...had it been at mw again and pav beat him there would this be good enough?

 

Congratulations! I think you just made the most misinformed post of the day. Pavlik has fought once since Hopkins; a mandatory who earned the right to be there. Now he is taking time off because his wife just had their second child, a son.

So much for the shaken confidence theory.

Pavlik's 6 most recent opponents are:
Rubio
Hopkins
Lockett
Taylor
Taylor
Miranda.

Abraham's 6 most recent opponents are:
Oral ( ranked #29)
Simon ( ranked #43 )
Marquez
Miranda
Ayala
Elcock.

Now please -- come back here and tell me with a straight face Pavlik is ducking this great championatsch

 

No, no, no. The ask was a $1 million purse for Abraham, that is 100,000 less than Kelly got for his first fight with Taylor, and that they get the German TV rights as that is their audience. Don't twist things Boo, they never asked for 100% of the revenue or a ridiculous guarantee, unless you think 1 million is ridiculous.

 

I said they wanted 100% of the German TV revenue. when did they ask for $1 million? Link please. I've never seen ANYTHING from Sauerland that looked like a real proposal.

 

**** happens. Abraham is an unknown commodity in the States. Too much risk - too little reward and too many demands.

 

Come back when you actually read my post, jackass. I said in the very first sentence that I didn't know who was ducking who. Nice of you to spend an entire post showing your utter lack of reading comprehension. :roll:

And no, not "so much for my theory." You agreed exactly with what I described, and then offered another reason for it. Hardly conclusive of anything.