Pavlik/Abraham: A Closer Look.

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  1. Bodysnatcher

    Bodysnatcher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Not anymore. At the time of Abraham/Miranda I, and Pavlik/Miranda, EM was considered a monster, but it seems like that was more myth than reality. The guy was getting out boxed by David Banks for christ sake! Now days I think Zuniga would knock Miranda out somewhere in the middle rounds, and the pre-pavlik version of zertuche would be 50/50 with Miranda.
     
  3. Magges

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    serious doubts that Miranda was Arthys best opponent... What about Gevor Eastman or Kofi Jantuah( ???)
     
  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Eastman is a good name on Arthur's resume', but Miranda stopped the same version in 7 rounds, and Jantuah got knocked out by a welterweight..
     
  5. Magges

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    Sowhat you cannot define fighters just from their losses... If we go that way bhop and haye would be crap too..
     
  6. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Agreed, and if you go back to my original post, you'll see that I said neither guy has what I would call a stellar resume'. However, before I started this thread I dug deeper into Arthur's resume' than I ever had before. I was a bit surprised to see that other than Ikeke he has never faced anyone over 6 foot, and other than Miranda he has never faced a heavy puncher. His average opponent had a KO ratio under 40%.
     
  7. Magges

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    kk.. But you have to see that there are not to many guys available who are over 6 foot...
    Either way i am just looking forward to the fight...I hope it happens in 2009
     
  8. Hermit

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    One question we need answered, and I don't think anyone including Jack Loew or Kelly Pavlik can answer honestly or objectively, is just how much he was affected that night. Was it just a case of Bhop making him feel he had 'no pop' on his punches? I've said it before, Kelly had NO speed to lose in this match up. So even 5% could have made a big difference. In one piece Boo linked to, Kelly made the statement that Taylor was faster than Hopkins and the speed didn't bother him then.

    This question MAY be answered over time with more fights, especially as he fights boxers that are known for their speed and 'slick'. So, if Kelly whomps on AA will he lose this stigma? I doubt it. Not even from the people claiming AA has good speed and is a "master" boxer. They will just claim they never said it and hope "search" is broken. Maybe they will even credit Bhop for 'schooling' Kelly and Kelly learning that lesson? Nah, anyone Kelly beats is destined for 'derating' in their eyes. :deal
     
  9. Odo

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    :DYour close look at both fighters leads you to a ko prediction in round 8 in favour of Pavlik,eh!

    What makes you think that AA will last exactly as long as someone like Zertuche against Pavlik??
    AA as tough as Zertuche?? Hm!:think
     
  10. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Zertuche lasted longer than Jermain Taylor, and Arthur has never fought anyone who even lives in the same universe as Taylor.

    The legend of Arthur's chin is an internet myth built around the first Miranda fight. Arthur's average opponent had a KO ratio around 40%. Pretty easy to avoid KO's. Just fight guys with no power.
     
  11. Odo

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    I give you the point that AA has never fought someone like Taylor.You are right in saying this,booradley.
    However,AA has fought a lot of good names,better names than Pavlik has fought(at middle weight) with ehe execption of Taylor.
    You are entitled to your opinion. I may be totally wrong and the fight will really go the way you see it.Well,I for my part think that it can truly go either way.
    AA has the edge in firepower , but Pavlik is the more active fighter who can outpoint AA and win most of the rounds.
    Pavlik's chin will propably be the decisive factor in their fight.
    I very much doubt that Pavlik will be able to stop the Armenian banger.:verysad
     
  12. slicksouthpaw16

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    Abraham is just a better boxer than Kelly is because that's his game, where as Pavlik is a come forward busy, volume punching pressure fighter. There are also good boxers on Aurthor's resume such as Kofi Jantua( who brutally knocked out Pavlik's upcoming challenger Rubio with a picture perfect left hook only seconds into the fight) and Ian Garder, who is a slick southpaw boxer who is trained by Hagler's trainer (Pentrenelli) who later went on to score an upset over Deandre Latimore who just upset Powell.

    He also outboxed the rangy Ikeke and was actually the first to beat him. If Kelly tried to box with Abraham, not only would be out boxed but he could also be knocked out. He should use what got him here and bring the pressure.
     
  13. Tom_Tocca

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    That's what I am saying like forever... :good
     
  14. booradley

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    If you call plodding around the ring with your ear muffs on, and throwing wide shots that Ray charles would see coming, and sticking your head and shoulders out past your feet skills, than ya, I guess you're right.
     
  15. slicksouthpaw16

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    He picks his spots and comes out of that shell as well. Look at his rematch with Miranda. Around the third round when he boxed in the middle of the ring, he completely owned Miranda was hurting him with everything he hit him with. The only way Miranda got anything off was when Abraham backed into the corner and let him tire himself.