Pavlik/Abraham: A Closer Look.

Miranda is harder to hit IMO because he doesn't always come forward the way Kelly does, but Pavlik undoubtedly has a better beard than Miranda and is obviously the better fighter.

Also i feel, as i have stated, that Kelly fighting at range will favor Abraham because is the naturally more gifted boxer. On this level of competition, Kelly will need more than a jab and right hand to win because certain types of fighters can take that away from him. It really depends on how the fight plays out and who exerts who's style on who. Its not going the distance and should be fight of the year either way.

 

And when does AA starts/keeps on swinging?

Right, when he has the other guy hurt and goes for the kill!

AA nearly realises immediately to stop this when he thinks that ain't gonna do it as one could see in the Ayala bout. AA had Ayala down in the 5th but knew that it isn't the right time to try ending the bout.

 

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Taylor has faster hands and can hold them differently. Kelly has already said he will beat up on arms and shoulders if that is what is given him, not just uselessly beat on gloves. AA would have to come out and fight or have his arms weakened in the process, losing his only real hope of winning, KO. If Kelly is successful, AA is out of his comfort zone of taking two minutes and thirty seconds off every round. We have seen no evidence AA can fight at this pace. Indeed with his troubles making weight now, the longer this fight goes, the worse it will be for AA. He also isn't going to "steal rounds" fighting that way in the states. He might get the crowds going when he finally throws a punch in Germany but the judges won't be swayed by that here. This WILL NOT happen on a Saurland card.

One thing we know we don't have to worry about with AA is him burning himself out. Well, not if he doesn't have too. See above. He got VERY SLOPPY once he had Miranda hurt. What if he misjudges that or, God forbid, Kelly actually sets a trap making him think he is hurt?

No, it is not a good idea, but we have no evidence AA punches any harder than them. Miranda's career is highlight reel knockouts.

 

I always thought that, too. The tops of his gloves are on a plane w/his forehead and the bottoms of his elbows almost reach his waist. Never noticed that AA had shorter than average arms, but if that is the case it's gonna' leave some holes.

Very nice analysis, imo.

Not sure I agree that AA is not tough enough to last the 12, but I'll go w/Pavlik for the win in any case.

 

Zuniga is not a power puncher IMO. He has a high knockout ratio but when you look and see that every time he has stepped up and fought world class opponents like Kelly, Zertuche, Inkin, Echcols ect, he has not stopped any of them. Also, Hopkins being rated as any type of power puncher is laughable, especially since he wasn't even known as a puncher in his prime. In fact who was the last fighter that he even stopped? He is more of a wear you down type of fighter and so is Zuniga. I also don't think Oganov would have lasted that long against Zuniga if he could truly punch, a green Dirrell got him out a lot faster. Abraham is a true power punch and he proved it against world class opponents, and even Kelly didn't do Miranda the way Abraham did and that was when Miranda's boxing skills picked up.

Well that's his style, i have never seen and most likely will never see a defensively great Pavlik. Zertuchi, Miranda and Hopkins all landed high connect percentages against Pavlik because he walks forward and is a typical pressure fighter. After his fight with Zurtuchi, Kellerman even stated that he needs to pick up his defense if he wanted to compete on a world class level. He came forward against them and he will come forward against Abraham, because again he is not as good of a boxer as Aurthur so he has no other way of winning. His jab/right hand will be mastered by boxers that knows how to neutralize it. Don't let his fights with a defensively and inconsistent Taylor fool you into believing Kelly is going to out box Abraham( who i would favor over Taylor).

He stuck his chin out against Hopkins and Miranda as well, and i also seen him do it against Zurtuchi. He does it out of arrogance and its normally after his opponent has landed a good shot.

 

Pavlik is fast? :huh Hes a strong kid, a very good puncher, very sharp and precise and is always in excellent condition, but no where near being fast. That COUNTER right hand that Miranda landed against Gibbs was probably faster than anything Kelly has ever thrown. In fact when you ever seen him counter punch?

 

Just because Taylor has faster hands doesn't meant he has better defense than Abraham, which he doesn't. Just take a look back at Taylor vs Ouma, Taylor vs Spinks, Taylor vs Winky( definitely) and then watch him against Pavlik and you will see that once he backs into the ropes, his hands are way down and he is just rocking them and is wide open to take punches. Its kind of like he is under a dizzy spell. Abraham's guard is very high when hes on the ropes and while he is on in that shell, he is figuring his opponent out and making them waste their energy as well, something i see him doing less in this fight.

Also, Abraham does need to fight at Kelley's kind of pace because there are ways of neutralizing volume punches. By either using the ring/circling, or putting enough power to each and every shot so your opponent is hesitant about coming in, similar to the way Hopkins did and Abraham definitely has enough power to get that respect. And also, Kelly is the perfect kind of fighter to steal rounds against. He stands directly in front and all Abraham has to do is simply flurry and step to the side, just the way Bernard did in many of those rounds because Kelly goes into a defensive mode.

I didn't see a sloppy Abraham at all. In fact, did he even miss a single shot when he finished Miranda? I was impressed by his creativity and faints. There was one instance where he faked throwing his right( because Miranda was expecting it) and switched and threw his leaping left hook which caught and floored Miranda. TAYLOR on the other hand, was sloppy. He was actually tired at the end of the round( second) he hurt Kelly in.

 

I posted before that BOTH guys dropped Miranda several times before finishing him off. Abraham may have done it in earlier rounds in the SECOND fight, but had he not landed the one punch he was on his way to losing a decision.

 

I was bored yesterday and just didn't want to let some things go unchecked I guess. Besides, my 'speed gage' against Kelly is Taylor so my arguments use that anyhow.

 

Oh good grief. Go watch again after the first knock down I think it was.

 

Please show me where i EVER said that Green is better than Taylor, thanks for putting words in my mouth. If you can't handle a debate, then why even make a thread where opinions and debates will be discussed? I also never said that Zuniga couldn't bang, i simply stated that he wasn't the kind of power puncher that you made him out to be, and he definitely doesn't punch no where near as hard to Abraham and neither does Hopkins( as you stated).