Pavlik/Abraham: A Closer Look.

Oh now you admit that all of you are biased and won't even hear someone's side of an argument or debate? Why did i even bother trying to debate then? So there goes being an ''antagonist''. Also, you and ''Kermit'' ( or whatever his name is) talk about my vocabulary but if you actually sound out the word ''PavlikLICKERS'' ( which you all just claimed you were) is not something that you want to go around bragging about. Its gay. :yep

 

You been here long enough to see the derogatory nicknames that are given to groups of fans of a certain fighter? Yeah, thought not.

I suppose you think Pavlikers is a name we came up with?

How about Pac fans....you think they came up with Pac-tards?

Catchin' on yet?

 

No admission of bias. That would indicate ignoring the evidence. Did you even read the opening post in this thread? When you say things like Pascal is "a lot faster" than Taylor, geez.... You try and make it sound like these guys lost their ability to box in ONE fight. If they lose their discipline that fast, they aren't very well trained now are they? Steward was the wrong trainer for Taylor. He isn't the first fighter that Steward has sent into the ring under conditioned. Taylor was MUCH better in his second fight. Lacy? Wasn't that bad. He did what he had to do in a comeback fight. That fight was carefully chosen for purse and style.

 

Its something that he just called himself, not me or anyone else came into this thread and called him that so obviously you all love that name. If i called you a stupid biased nut hugger, would you go into a thread and say ''we stupid biased nut huggers are going to own anyone that disagrees with us''? He set himself up for that one.

 

I'm a fan of Pav. and Abraham, and at this point but as of today I'm thinking Abraham will win by stoppage any time after round #2. No decent fighter has ever had a problem finding Pavlik with some meaningful punches, and AA pretty much finds his opponents hittable in his fights, and Abraham is better defensivley. Add that Abraham is one of the hardest punchers P4P in the sport right now and it's a bad matchup for Pav. I do reserve the right to change my opinion as fight time approaches, but these two have to fight.

 

Fair enough. Boo did say you have potential.

Now before the **** starts flying I will say to you that I am trying to like Carl Froch. I read the UK Boxing Monthly and I read his interview which makes him an interesting character to me.

Now in that interview, leading up to the Pascal fight Carl says "If I can win this and shine, it should catapault me to the next level". Hmmm, what level do you reckon Carl currently thinks he's on?

Tell me about Carl's defensive capabilities, please, since I've read your opinion on Pavlik's.

 

That was my criticism of Froch before the Pascal fight as well, he always thought the big names was avoiding him when he didn't have a title and was not even close to being a big enough attraction for names like Calzaghe or Taylor to fight him at the time. That's one of the reasons why i like him, hes not boring in or outside of the ring and that's what boxing needs.

As for his defense, i do believe that its not where it should be especially against world class oponnents. I think Kessler, Calzaghe, Dawson and Bute (if he didn't get caught) could exploit that and possibly box circles around him. He has the chin to get away with it though, its just his style but against the above mentioned opponents it would cost him.

 

Actually, I don't know if it was Boo that first used it, but he HAS used it with this emoticon. :smh So, Boo does know the implication. He didn't set himself up.


But I know what you feel like at the moment.... Even found one for it. tta

Now if we could get the tongues added to the chase group we would be all set......

 

So in short, the man is 31 years old, his next fight would only be his 25th, he's been in with no really world class opponents other than the highly avoided and feared Pascal, has never beaten a true champion--only fought for a vacant belt, has only fought 2 times in almost 2 years, has bad hands and a knee that required surgery, you say against world class opponents he would be boxed in circles and his chin is basically his defense, but in your opinion he would tear both Taylor and Pavlik a new ass hole, huh?

 

Matter of fact, sir, I have the article in front of me now. Let's see....hmm, it says here that in biggest fight so far he managed to get 6,000 people to come to the Ice Arena for Robin Reid, who at that point I'm sure was still pretty prime. It says the Arena could have held 9,000, but weather was probably **** that day.

Damn. You may be right. I may still yet change my prediction.

 

Don't forget hes a fresh 31 years old, had great amateur experience and the only hard fight hes had was with Pascal, so hes going to be one of those fighters that peaks late. Also, his defense is not great but he has movement and slips punches at times as well. Kelly moves forward into punches and all a good boxer has to do is simply punch and move to the side. A fighter cannot easily have that success with Froch because of his superior versatility. Styles makes fights.

Also, the only highly ranked/ top level opponent that Kelly beat before he fought Taylor was Miranda( or Zuniga if you will who was a blown up junior middle who doesn't have a stand out win on his resume other than Oganov and a controversial win over Zertuchi) and he was able to knock Jermaine out, and i personally feel that Pascal is a lot better than Miranda is. Also, i don't feel that Froch would ''walk through'' either Pavlik or Taylor, they would be hard fights however i feel he would beat them both. Another reason is that neither of them impressed me at super middleweight and Froch is a FULL super middleweight and a massive puncher. I think Jermaine avoided Froch and fought Green instead for a reason. Green was not only a lesser money fight but he also dosn't have a title like Froch does.

 

First, my man, Kelly inches forward...behind one of the best jabs in the business. All a fighter has to do is slide to the side and punch to beat him??!!:rofl:rofl Holy Jeeezus..that's great. To bad only Mr. Hopkins thought of that simple analysis and executed....at 2 weights above Kelly's best, ...and on a night where he was sick with bronchitis and elbow problems. Like your boy, Kelly had too much balls for his brain that night. The fight should have been postponed, but Kelly was worried about the fans who he knew paid all they could afford to get to Atlantic City to see him.

Then you give Zuniga credit for a win over Zertuche, but not Pavlik? And it was Pavlik that not only took him out first, but KTFO big time. Highlight style.

Oh ****, I still can't believe you said all you have to do is to just slide to the side and punch, and Kelly is done for. But ol' Froch will never be beaten THAT easily.

Yeah, you might be some fun yet. After all, you do fit the profile perfectly....in a thread titled Pavlik vs. Abraham (who are the elite at 160 :yep:rofl), you are in here making a case for a title holder at 168. Just ****in' perfect.

Also, you say Taylor FOUGHT Green, as in past tense, like it already happened? Yeah you're on it all right. If by chance you meant to say Lacy, there was about 1 million reasons why he took that fight instead.

 

I have not heard a number yet, but I would be surprised if JT got LESS than $2.5 mill like he did in his last fight. Dibella has out and out said it is ALL about money. Not title.

 

i'm not taking the **** but you're exactly the sort of person frank warren is targeting.

this is one of the most naaive posts i don't have the patience to post objectively right now to respond to you because if you were born in any other country - or knew how boxing worked - you wouldn't be saying this tripe.