Pavlik and Margarito should follow Hatton's lead

yeah but it can work the other way too if you dont stay with what got you to the top


example: Jermain Taylor-Emmanuel Steward

 

Good point.

 

kelly and hatton got ok chins.
Emanuel stewart is a piece of ****. overated. Nazim is the one who ruined margo's career. I doubt margo will ask him to be trainer.

 

Kelly will NEVER leave jack you can bet that. If kelly goes down then jack will be right by his side till the end. trust me it will never happen

 

Pavlik certainly needs some new skills. Lateral movement is almost none existent from him. His footwork isnt too bad as some have alleged but it's certainly not up there with Hatton and Frazier (just to mention names used by the the thread starter). Kelly has all the tools, strength, fairly fast hands, good chin. With a better technical arsenal he could be awesome.

Marg is a different animal in my opinion. It's unusual for fighters to change their style so late on in their career, probably with Hopkins and Ali being the two notable exceptions. Fighters slow and become more patient as they get older but this is usually due to time and punishment rather than a conscious change in approach. I feel the boat may have passed for Marg to change his style enough to reclaim the top spot in the WW division.

 

A better example would be Mike Tyson. Remember he replaced Kevin Rooney with Hall of Fame managers too and look how it turned out for him. It has to depend on the fighter. If they have the talent that can be molded for greatness than a great manager would help bring that out. Manny Pacquiao is good example of that. He was a one dimensional fighter till Roach got to him.

 

I think the Tyson example is more to do with his personality than his ability ie someone to keep him in tow.

Taylor is a good example I think as Taylor is fairly limited as a boxer but Steward managed to get the best out of him. To be fair, I think Taylor suited the Steward school of teaching down to the ground though.

 

Talent also accounts for a lot. There is a limit to everybodys potential in any particular area. Just because you have a great trainer I doubt it means Pavlik/Margarito wouldn't lose. Sure, they can improve, but its about levels. Maybe Pavlik/Margarito's just will not stack up against a lot of opponents.

Jack Loew is pretty bad, though. His advice is next to useless. I would be tempted to sack him just for the sake of tactical advice, nevermind any further improvement.

 

Jack Loew's advice to Pavlik in that fight was awful.

 

Could have been worse though.

It could have been Buddy McGuirt

 

I agree with most of what Jack says, but don't forget one thing concerning the Joe Frazier example. Futch was Joe's trainer mostly in the last half of Frazier's career. The guy who really taught Joe how to smoke was Yank Durham who also designed Fraziers battle plan in the first Ali fight.

 

Thanks FlatNose :good

Just looking into Yank Durham now.

 

Pavlik has ONE loss in 35 fights. Yep, time to jump ship and start over. atsch Kelly had a successful amature career. I kind of doubt he walked kids down and KO'd them on the ropes for most of those wins. His camp is talking about getting more back to boxing for his upcoming fight. Let's wait and see. Of course, Rubio might just coax him into his old self. He really doesn't need to change for Rubio, so this could be a test of his patience and proving he can do a little more boxing. That is what makes this a more interesting fight at the moment.

 

Pavlik wouldnt have beaten Hopkins if he had D'Amato, Dundee, Steward and Richardson in his corner.

And to refute your point, Calzaghe's dad is his trainer and he bested Bernard.