Pavlik / Calzaghe: Pavlik wins

I had Pavlik vs Miranda and Pavlik vs Taylor 2 (I had money on Taylor 1, not realising how far regressed he was since being with Steward)

Quite an interesting sentiment that Joe would be KO'ed late rather than early, being that every single one of his knockdowns has happened early in the fight (Round 2 against Mitchell, Round 4 against Salem, Round 1 against Hopkins)

Also interesting considering that Joe has proven stamina to the point that he's outlasted every opponent he's ever had and been the fresher of the two fighters after 12.

Seems to me that Joe is easy to catch early until he adapts to your style and then he becomes harder progressively throughout the fight to land on.

Holy hell.. I just had De Ja Vu to Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler fights. This has been said about Calzaghe anytime he faces someone younger than 30.. yet in both fights, what happened? Who looked hungrier?

So we've got Joe, renowned for Stamina, going the distance and sweeping the final rounds, vs Pavlik, who prior to this thread, had never been noted as some stamina workhorse who was as fresh in the final round as he was the first.

Should I find the various pictures of Joe having landed a shot with Bernard Hopkin's chin gaping open due to the punch? Or should I point out the Mikkel Kessler career never saw him lose a round or be cleanly hit against any of the fighters he'd ever fought?

Seems to me you're now just making up things to suit the purposes of your prediction. Don't do that, because it makes you an easy target.

Lacy, Bika and Kessler all remarked on Joe's power being low and that they would just walk through him and his slaps would have no effect. Appearances can be deceiving. Very few fighters go into the ring respecting Joe's power, believing they can't be hurt... very few fighters come out of the ring saying they don't respect Joe.

He's been doing this his entire career against punchers on an equal, if not higher level than Pavlik, why has he not been exposed yet? We're also conviently forgetting that Pavlik is quite easy to hit, having gone down more times in his career than Joe to this point against lesser fighters, too

See how this strategy worked for Lacy? Busted up over both eyes by Round 4 and completely out of the fight? Most fighters use a feint in order to deflect attention from the incoming shot, the "shoe shine" punches you're talking about are one of Joe's ways of feinting, having leather in your face constantly masks the fact that one or two punches in that combination are going to be solid, Meanwhile Joe continues racking up the points due to his aggression and the fact that he hits his opponents more than they hit him...

If Pavlik "eats" those punches and doesn't try to block or defend himself against them, the fight will be over in 5, Calzaghe TKO.

Yet Jeff Lacy, renowned for the left hook didn't land a single left hook on him despite him being so wide open for it? "Pavlik is better than Lacy" - granted, but I've never seen Pavlik throw a compact left hook, have you?

What's worked for Joe in the past? His handspeed, distance, timing, ability to evade punches, his stamina, his workrate, the fact that he can win from the outside or the inside.. all of this is going to be ineffective against Pavlik?

Holy christ, Pavlik is the second coming of christ guys!!

I didn't write him off before Miranda, I had money on him - Miranda is so ****ing hyped it isn't funny, when a guy struggles to end the fight against a guy with a broken jaw, this shows something about the accuracy and ability of Miranda. I made money on Pavlik that night.

I didn't write him off against Taylor, I bet on Taylor thinking that Taylor had more big match experience and should be better on the big occassion, are we forgetting that Pavlik was a meaningful punch off from losing that fight by TKO?

Like I wrote previously, seems to me you're making things up as you go in order to boost your fighter, which I don't have issues with, you're an admirer of Pavlik and you're not really showing Joe that much disrespect.

But if they do fight and Pavlik doesn't defend himself properly, I can promise you, he will end up being another of Joe's 32 stoppage wins.

 

I thought boo was a little zealous towards his own fighter while disregarding the opponent a little too heavily. I've made a response to his posts one by one.

 

I think I've heard that a few times :yep

 

Yes but this time its for real !!!!!! ok he probably wont lose

 

Don't think so man, that style is MADE for Calzaghe. He was able to confuse Hopkins at times, you think he won't be able to do the same(if not worse) against someone like Pavlik who only went the full distance once or twice?

 

I was answering someone else's question on HOW.

 

There is no way that Pavlik beats Calzaghe. The underestimation of the man from Wales keeps going on. Calzaghe would outbox him AND outfight him. If he fought Hopkins in a rematch that fight too would be a more lopsided affair with J.C. not getting decked like he did before, and winning far more emphatically.

 

Even if Calzaghe shows up a tiny bit less than he did for Kessler, I can't see him losing more than 3 rounds.

 

As does the underestimation of the man from Youngstown, Ohio. :yep

 

Wouldnt that be sweet though ? His heart would just implode from the shame.

 

Styles make fights and Calzahge would win because of such. Give Pavlik time to adjust to his new title.

 

If Pavlik wants to win he better ko JC before the 5th starts. At that point JC has Pavlik figured out.

 

I am glad you mentioned boo's argument.....for a moment I thought you were serious! Didn't realise that you had your tongue firmly in your cheek


Oh btw, do you think, overall, Pavlik is/has been more underrated than Calzaghe??

 

I think Pavlik is severely under-rated by people who think he's just another stand up fighter who has fought guys at the right time in Miranda/Taylor.

I think Pavlik is severely over-rated by people who see him as a superchamp already, he has to earn that and despite beating a very good Taylor, the jury is out on what level Taylor is performing at these days.

 

I'd favour Calzaghe in this fight. But he is getting that much older and losing his physical abilities. Pavlik has a better chance in this fight than most people are gicing him credit for.