Pavlik getting a new trainer? I hope so!!!

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  1. Abram

    Abram Member Full Member

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    I would love to see Pavlik get with Freddy Roach. Here's the article.
    Tension builds in Team Pavlik

    Published: Thu, August 5, 2010 @ 12:08 a.m.
    By JOE SCALZO
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    YOUNGSTOWN
    Four months after Kelly Pavlik lost his middleweight titles, cracks are beginning to show inside Team Pavlik.
    Pavlik’s father and co-manager, Mike Pavlik Sr., told Steve Kim of Max Boxing on Tuesday he believes his son needs new tutelage after spending his entire amateur and pro career under Jack Loew.
    “I feel right now he’s in the prime of his life and we’ve become one-dimensional and predictable,” Mike Sr. told Kim. “I’m not bad-mouthing Jack. It’s not that Jack has done anything wrong; Jack has reached a plateau that he’s never been before. He doesn’t know what to do.”
    Although there have been occasional issues between Loew and Mike Sr. over the years, this is the first time the father has publicly questioned Loew. The tension stems from Pavlik’s unanimous decision loss in April to Sergio Martinez, whose speed and movement caused problems for the Youngstown fighter.
    When reached by phone Wednesday, the 28-year-old Pavlik said he hasn’t considered making a change at trainer.
    “That’s news to me,” he said. “For me to look at someone else, not to sound like a broken record, but I wasn’t schooled [by Martinez]. In the middle rounds, I was frustrating him.
    “I haven’t even thought of changing.”
    Although Mike Sr. stopped short of saying he wanted a new trainer, he believes Loew needs to bring in someone to help.
    Mike Sr. did not return a call seeking comment on Wednesday, Loew, who declined comment for this article, told the website the problem wasn’t the training, it was Pavlik’s condition entering camp and the father’s insistence on working out “four or five times a day.” Pavlik weighed more than 190 pounds entering camp — 30 above the middleweight limit — and, consequently, was drained on fight night.
    Loew said Pavlik needs to take better care of his body between fights and hire a professional nutritionist to safely make weight.
    Pavlik’s co-manager, Cameron Dunkin, doesn’t think his fighter needs a new trainer, but agreed with Mike Sr. that Pavlik could benefit from different voices in the gym, both physically and mentally.

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    “Nothing against Jack; he’s taken him as far as he can go,” said Dunkin. “But Kelly’s not learning anything. He’s not excited, he’s not motivated.
    “I never want to get rid of Jack; he knows the kid as well as anybody. But I think if somebody came in and helped, that would be good.”
    Dunkin said many top fighters train at gyms with multiple trainers and spend time inside the gym outside of training camp, gaining exposure to different styles from different cultural backgrounds. They also attend fights in person to pick up on new approaches, something Pavlik rarely does. (Although he does watch fights on TV.)
    “There’s a whole lot of new ideas going on and Kelly doesn’t see any of that,” said Dunkin. “To close his eyes and not see other guys and other thoughts and other fighters and other places, it’s just stupid. It’s not fair to him and he’s never going to grow and he’s never going to get any better.”
    Pavlik’s promoter, Top Rank chairman Bob Arum, told Fanhouse on Wednesday he’s discussed a possible HBO fight in the fall between Pavlik and Russian Dmitry Pirog, the newly crowned WBO middleweight champion.
    Pirog (17-0, 14 KOs) won the title with a fifth-round KO of Daniel Jacobs on Saturday.
    The title was one of two won by Martinez against Pavlik (the WBC belt was other), who vacated both when he didn’t make a title defense in time.
    Dunkin confirmed the camp’s interest in the Pirog fight but Pavlik said he knows little of the discussions.
    “I’ve never heard of the guy,” said Pavlik, who recently returned from a Hawaiian vacation with his wife. “I told everybody, the only way I’m going to fight at 160 is if a nutritionist tells me I can make the weight and be healthy.
    “If they offer the right money and a nutritionist said it’s OK, it’s a definite possibility.”
     
  2. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    he needs in it my opinion to stay in the elite
     
  3. mgdb26

    mgdb26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Kelly gets a new trainer than they are going to need a lot of time to work together because I think they would try and make a lot of changes in Kelly and their is a ton of stuff that Kelly was never tought (due to Leow's lack of knowledge) that a new trainer will insist he learn and master. So if he does switch than they would have to delay any fight with Pirog and stick to tune ups so that Kelly can get comfortable with his new trainer, whoever it may be.
     
  4. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    He needs an entire new team and he needs to go into training camp somewhere there are no distractions.
     
  5. time

    time Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He needs a new attitude imo, his complaining about not being able to land again in the martinez fight was very worrying, im not sure if hes right in the head after that
     
  6. SchweitzerMan

    SchweitzerMan Active Member Full Member

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    If he would just double the ****ing jab...
     
  7. Keueng

    Keueng Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loew said: "No Kelly you ****ing can't!!"
     
  8. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "Double the ****ing jab and u will have him"
    On second thoughts!
    Just retire...
     
  9. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pirog would detonate a right hand on his egg head chin whoever he had in the corner!
     
  10. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    Everybody should train with Freddie Roach!
     
  11. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with Kelly's father and Dinkin. Pavlik def. needs a new trainer. Roach would do great things with him KElly needs to listen to them if he wants to continue being successful.
     
  12. tito44

    tito44 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopefully he gets somebody new for his sake.
     
  13. Flash Jab

    Flash Jab Boxing Junkie banned

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    It's amazing how far Pavlik has fell in the last two years. Probably the biggest disappointment of the decade.
     
  14. Finesse74

    Finesse74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Please be so kind to remove your mouth from Freddie's *****. Thank You

    Idk why everyone is looking down on Pavlik. Yeah he lost, but he still did good against Martinez. Hes still a top fighter without a doubt. I think all he needs is a nutritionist, get out of his hometown to train and to get back to the basics. He should keep his current trainer.

    Pavlik is a basic fighter. 1/2s are his best punch. Its working so far so **** it...keep throwing that **** till the man in front of you falls down. A couple taunts by sticking your tongue out and that should close the deal. :bbb
     
  15. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Nice post , thanks mate :good

    Sounds like there is some **** happening in team Pavlik , coming into camp @190 !!!!! **** thats incredible , for the wrong reasons , i like Pavlik but he's been very inactive and badly beaten twice , he needs something big soon or he may never be relevant again , he looks humungous for 160 sureley he has to go to SMW , i mean he looks a lot lot bigger than when he fought Taylor the 1st time , and he's banging on about weight issues , i dont know why the **** he doesnt just say **** it and get in with Bute or Pascal ..........................