Pavlik: "I Want To Fight Enzo Calzaghe, He's Still Shaking After Lockett"

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  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Some posters are surprised to see Pavlik trash talking, but it is certainly not the first time. Pavlik trashed Winky pretty good a few times too. It seems like he gets quite vocal when he feels like someone ducked him.

    In my opinion the Lockett fight did play a role in Joe's decision to duck KP, but it was only one of at least three factors. Prior to Pavlik/Taylor II Joe stated clearly on British TV that he wanted to have his last fight against Pavlik unless JT won their rematch. Joe said if Taylor won, he'd try to get a fight with him. In the same interview he said fighting Jones would be a disappointing way to end his career.

    After that three things happened:

    1) Even if the haters don't like it, Pavlik won a clear UD in a tactical boxing match with Taylor. JT fought what was arguably the best fight of his career. Kelly injured both hands, and still beat him.

    2) Joe came to the United States and barely squeaked past Hopkins.

    3) Enzo got his first up close and personal look at Pavlik when he destroyed Lockett.

    Now Joe says he's a legend killer, and his last fight will be against Roy Jones. The same Roy jones that Joe said would be a disappointing way to end his career.

    Joe also said that Pavlik hasn't done enough to deserve a fight with him, and out of the other side of his mouth he claims he offered KP a fight after he beat Lacy. At that time Pavlik's best win was over Fulgencio Zuniga. So, according to Joe and Enzo, Pavlik isn't deserving now, but he was deserving back when his best win was over another prospect.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    No need to use facts and common sense. Papa Calzaghe already said Pavlik doesn't deserve a shot and needs to win 5 to 8 titles before they'll consider him.
     
  3. billyconn

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    great post....

    I think what was more telling than anything was that Lockett said it wasn't the power that surprised him it was Pavlik's punches that he couldn't see coming....:bbb i.e. handspeed.....
     
  4. billyconn

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    Funny this all could be moot soon...

    If I were to wager I think Pavlik gets by Hopkins and Jones ruins Calzaghe's ride off into the sunset....

    That begs a question.... will Calzaghe retire on a losing note? He could have back to back losses if he'd fight Pavlik after getting beaten by Jones....
     
  5. billyconn

    billyconn Active Member Full Member

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    Ducking and then talking smack to be exact is what the Calzaghe crew did.....
     
  6. MarkSe

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    Pavlik and handspeed aren't two things that you often see together. He's a great fighter but he kind of telegraphs his punctures and only really throws a 1-2. Based on both Hopkins and more impressivley Calzaghes abaility to adapt, I can see these fights been close. Particularly against Joe, I would have Pav win the first two or 3 and then Joe to dominate till the 10 / 11th. I think work rate wise, Pavlik can match or surpass Joe which is unusual.
     
  7. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    If Pavlik only throws a 1-2, how did he manage to stop guys with left hooks? How did he put McKart on his hands and knees with a lead right to the body? How did he knock Zertuche out with an upper cut if he only throws 1-2's? Again, if he only throws a 1-2, how did he beat Zuniga in a war on the inside where both guys threw everything but the kitchen sink?

    On the handspeed issue, how come almost every opponent says; "He was faster then I thought." Or, "I just couldn't see the punches coming."

    I'd suggest you watch a few of his fights instead of just parroting the haters!
     
  8. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    IMO calzaghe wanted pavlik after the hopkins fight because it was the biggest payday out there.

    but i beleive the roy jones v tito fight was arranged after the hopkins v calzahe fight was arranged and then took place before the calzaghe fight ?
    someone would have to confirm timelines i cannot rmember exactly the dates .

    with roy jones winning , moneywise roy pay`s more than pavlik just at this moment in time.
     
  9. booradley

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    Roy beat Tito on January 19th. Joe did the interview I referenced on Janaury 23rd. Here's a link. The relevant info comes at 6:30.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWDtzdAYTOA
     
  10. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Calzaghe is afraid of Pavlik thats why he opted to fight Jones instead of him.
     
  11. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    calzaghe is obviously chasing money and roy jones pays him more money than kelly pavlik.


    persoanlly i would have preffered a calzaghe v pavlik fight in the uk , i think the money could have been made on the fight to equal the jones purse
     
  12. booradley

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    I think the money justification is a red herring. Calzaghe/Pavlik would have done big PPV numbers, and they could probably sell out any venue in Vegas, the mid west, the east coast, or Britian. The entire boxing world wants the fight.
     
  13. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Objectively speaking, that's the only way to see it.
     
  14. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    i am not sure.

    last time in america no americans turned up for the hopkins fight .
    the tv audience was not that good either and the promoter took a loss on the event and the casino also took a big loss.

    despite the euro v usa angle

    the white v black angle that hopkins brought into it.


    mind you i found 3 of hopkins last 4 fights v calzaghe as poor spectacles with only the tarver fight a stand out , compared to pavlik`s pleasing on the eye style .

    what are the estimates that the jones v calzaghe fight is expected to make for each boxer in the states ?

    i think they are on 50% each.

    according to the uk press and they are quoting telephone numbers for jones and calzaghe , but i take it they just guess and lie for headlines sake.

    IMO the hopkins fight v calzaghe should have 100% taken place in the uk to maximise it as an event.

    possibly the jones fight as well .