Pavlik/Martinez: it's a done deal!

I'd rather see a fight with another belt holder myself. This is really about what HBO wants. They didn't offer squat in terms of money for a Sturm fight before. The 50/50 with Williams is just Goosen's way of declining the fight. He knows he doesn't deserve it and won't get it.

 

This is part of what makes boxing hard to support. Promoters, Judges and Networks.

I mean Kelly should fight another belt holder and discard the money. Because in the Long run he will end up making more money with having all the belts. I mean Kelly got greedy and wanted his money... Hopkins was the big fight and we all know what happened. So I think Kelly just needs to fight these belt holders first. He may have to fight for peanuts and Kelly's stance would be " I am the recognized MW Champ" Which is true but there are 2 to 3 other guys with titles. I mean fights with Sturm and Sylvester will make more than Rubio and Espino. They may not be 5 to 10 million dollar fights but with all the Titles it's easier on the bargaining table.

I also think that if you Hold a title in a weight class you should not be able to fight anyone else in any other weight class unless you vacate the title. I really do not like the jumping back and forth that fighters tend to do more now a days.

 

They offered $2 mill TOTAL for Pavlik/Sturm. Sturm wouldn't have taken that fight for the TOTAL offered even had Kelly agreed to fight for free. Most of the purses are TV money nowdays. At least the guarenteed part of it. Catch 22. Kelly is losing traction and to get it back he needs to be on HBO.

 

I know that JM is not a big jump, but Kelly should be fighting someone in the MW division, not a smaller guy. Sometimes I feel that Pavlik has no balls. He needs to clean out the MW division and prove himself.

 

Williams will never fight Pavlik or rematch Martinez. Martinez sure beat the crap our of Williams!

 

I do not think it's all Kelly's decisions. I think Top Rank and HBO are screwing him around. Kelly was the next big star after he beat Taylor and after that 2nd fight they have really mishandled him. It's sad to see, but he can redeem himself. Kelly just wants to get back in the ring and prove it.

My point about him cleaning out the division would offer him more credibility and money. As I said if he has all the titles in the division then he has the bargaining chips against anyone. I do not understand why HBO won't see the big picture. Yeah they would have to suck it up for a few fights but they will regain it all back when Kelly has all the title's and someone like Paul Williams is waiting in the wings. That to me is the ideal scenario.

But what will happen is they will have Kelly fight Martinez, then try to lure PW. But if Kelly knocks out Sergio then Williams will stay at 147. So then they will jerk Kelly around and pretty much make him move up to 168. Which is not Kelly's strong class and again Kelly will get mishandled and who knows from there.

 

Really can't argue your points. We will have to see. We KNOW what Arum can do if he wants to. I think if Kelly stays committed and doesn't have anymore problems, things will fall into place. Williams/Martinez was at 160 and they were actually in talks for the rematch at the same weight. I think Martinez may want to step up in weight. Nothing is in stone yet though from what I understand. They are finalizing things with HBO this week. I have a feeling Kelly isn't in their good graces right now. He fought less in less that 100% condition against Hopkins and pissed them off. So now he doesn't fight because he isn't 100% and pisses them off again? One or two good wins and the world will be right at MW for him once again. Later. I need to rest my eyes for about 8 hours.

 

Sounds disaterous for one of them but great for fans

 

I think a fight with macklin would make big bucks at MSG on march the 17th.

 

This is definitely not an elite top ten. I guess my point is not who is the toughest or the best fight for Kelly. It's public perception. Sylvester and Zbik are 2nd rate Champions. Sturm is still living off the ODLH fight. As we all know Kelly has taken a big hit and he needs to get back on track.

I just have a feel if Kelly's handlers and HBO would have Kelly go out and grab the titles then it would help Kelly's perception. He would have cleaned out the 2nd rate title holders, then their is only 1 true MW champion and he would fight the best guy available. Now while Kelly is fighting to unify the division it would give a chance for an up and comer to make a name for himself and get into a position Kelly was in a few years ago. Right now MW is pretty weak with a few guys who still need to polish themselves up. In the time it would take to grab the other two titles and the mandatory of Zbik, you would think someone would establish themselves as a viable contender.

 

I kind of see where you are coming from, but alot of the criticism KP has taken is because he has fought a bunch of nobodies. It seems that in order to get those other titles, he'd either have to wait a long time, or fight more of the same. I think the Martinez fight would represent a step up in competition and also a guy who is riding a wave of positive perception. In essence it would give KP some cred when he really needs it, especially if he beats him in convincing fashion.

 

Nice! I sure hope this is true, and wow.. props to Martinez, taking on Williams and Pavlik back to back. If Pavilk fights Williams after this it's gonna be like a super-3 tournament!

Too bad Williams and Martinez might be to light/small to take on the the guys from the super 6.

 

The sad thing is when you are a fighter, the only way to get better is to admit defeat and fault graciously/and learn from it! When Pavlik said " I jump up 2 weight classes to fight Hopkins" shows me that inside Kelly's mind that he still feels as if the jump in weight was the real reason he lost that fight!!:-(

When Marquez said that the weight was an issue in the Mayweather fight it also showed me that he didn't realize that PBF just out boxed and out classed him not out muscle him!!

Hopkins never muscled Kelly Pavlik around the ring all he did is beat him to the punch and keep Pavlik of balance!!

I'll stand by this 150%! Pavlik is good but does not show that he has what it takes to be great(I blame his handlers for that)!