PAVLIk -MORA is on!!

I freaking hate Segio Mora, and that makes it hard for me to be objective about his abilities. I suspect that the same is true of most ESB members. However, when I look at the top 10 as listed on Box Rec, I think we'd have to make Mora the favorite over all but Pavlik, Abraham, Sturm, Mundine, and Wright. In other words, objectively, he ought to be ranked around #6.

 

actually it looks like its on Top Rank PPV, the John/Juarez rematch and Ortiz are scheduled to fight on HBO that date, thats 3 times better than the Pavlik card as it stands now.

 

atsch

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl, :yikes, :rofl!!!!

You have no ****in shame...:verysad:-verysad

 

You don't think Mora can beat guys like David Lopez and Daniel Geale? John Duddy was rated #2 by the WBO until Billy freaking Lyell whooped his ass. 160 is a very shallow division, and by the way, I just looked and Mora IS ranked #6 by the WBC. He could probalby be higher considering Domonic Spada is #1.

 

Pavlik by knockout.

 

WBC Top 10
1. Domenico Spada (Italy)
2. Sebastian Zbik (Germany)
3. Mahir Oral (Turkey-Germany) MEDITERRANEAN
4. Gennady Golovkin (Kazakhstan)
5. Miguel Espino (US) CABOFE
6. Sergio Mora (US)
7. Roman Karmazin (Russia) NABF
8. Renan St-Juste (Canada) AMERICA
9. Enrique Ornelas (Mexico)
10. Marco Antonio Rubio (Mexico)


WBO Top 10
1 Sebastian Zbik (Int-Cont) GER
2 John Duddy IRE
3 Khoren Gevor ARM
4 Dmitry Pirog (Asia-Pacific) RUS
5 Gennady Golovkin KAZ
6 Aaron Mitchell (NABO) USA
7 Daniel Geale AUST
8 Paul Smith GB
9 Sebastian Sylvester GER
10 Sergio Mora

 

You want to have losses equate to weak? Maybe you just have guys that aren't afraid to fight each other, unlike Mayweather. Can you honestly tell me he didn't pick a smaller guy with the expectations he can beat him? Mosely and Cotto would be bigger fights. Mosely is looking for a partner. And if you want to go by losses, well then, cross the guy that moved up to LW barely a year ago off of the list because he was losing at feather weight and junior light weight not too long ago..

 

So you're saying that a fight with Mosley or Cotto right now would be bigger than a fight with Pacquiao? , I'll be VERY surprised if ANY sane person would agree with that junk.

Nice reply really and nice way of twisting the topic from Pavlik's **** poor and pathetic Middleweight reign to Mayweather.

As I said and you obviously have no reply for it the "top WWs" themselves have unfinished business to care of. Mosley has unfinished business with Cotto, Cotto with Margarito, Margarito with Mosley, Clottey with Margarito and Berto with Collazo.

It's hard "PACKED WITH ELITE ATGs" Mayweather is seriously avoiding, really. That's old news and a load of crap started by Arum only to have died and in pathetic fashion. You're coming out of nowhere now to start a discussion about it. Sorry but this isn't 2006 anymore, things changed and there are FAR better options out there and the #1 option is Pacquiao in terms of money, resume and accomplishments all combined.

As far as Mosley is concerned I'm sure you know he was called out in 2006 and publicly IN THE RING turned it down to clear the way for Oscar. Just like Cotto was called out and claimed he's not ready yet and just a new WW, as soon as Mayweather retired Bob Arum came out claiming he's ducking Cotto but when he was around Cotto wasn't ready. If you can't see through this then you must have issues or just playing dumb to avoid the Pavlik embarrassment.

The topic is this, Pavlik's resume at Middleweight is pure garbage and NO a fight with Mora for Pavlik is NOTHING similar and NOT EVEN CLOSE to a fight with Marquez for Mayweather. That's just RIDICULOUS to say for ANY sane boxing fan in my opinion, no offense but it's just WAY too ridiculous for anyone to say. If you said Abraham or Paul Williams sure we'll have a discussion but Mora?, hell if you said Vernon Forrest SOME would have given it a pass and accepted it, but Mora? :nut

 

I said a fight between Mayweather/Cotto or Mayweather/Mosely would be bigger than Mayweather/Marquez. Mosely is on the up and has no one to fight at the moment.

You came on dissing the Mora fight. Pavlik's first and only optional defence so far. Yet you are the first person to say it is a weak division. So just pointing out a Mayweather fan doesn't have a lot of stones in this fight. Certainly not the first one since he skipped the WW division all together. How much you expect Mayweather to out weigh Marquez come fight night? I'd say at least 10 pounds. Huge as a percentage at that weight.

So none of them can fight Mayweather in the meantime? Why did he bother to come back? Oh yeah, fights with smaller guys that will have to move up in weight to fight him? atsch

I'd be for this fight if they can come up with a 'fight at weight'. Not some crap weight that let's Mayweather gain an edge by cutting and rehydrating. I've said often, fighters should fight at the contracted weight and forget this crap about gaming the system. Go back to same day weigh ins.

So you are going back 3 years? How about now? He could have called them out now. There would be no excuses would there? If they ducked, everyone would know it. But does Mayweather want these guys now that they are ready? It would seem not. Pavlik is still fighting a guy ranked in the top 10 by the two organizations he is ranked in. Where is Marquez ranked at WW?

Pavlik has had two mandatory defences. You want to hold that against him? Plus with the Bhop fight he showed he was willing to fight anyone not just say it. Mora is his first optional and it was the best they could do money wise at the moment because of Mora's exposure on the contender and his WBC belt. Mora is a career middlewight and yet you refered to him as a JMW. Let's be fair, Marquez has fought most of his career at FEATHERWEIGHT. Two can play this game any my statitics are going to be stronger. Like I said, Mayweather fans better look at their own glass walls before throwing stones.

 

How do you know it will be bigger than a fight with Marquez?, because you are interested in it more?. Don't judge what the general would think based on your own opinion/interest. I would also prefer a fight with Mosley but that doesn't mean everyone will too.

A fight with Marquez is clearly a sign that he wants Pacquiao next. Pacquiao's last two opponents were Mayweather's last two opponents, a fight with Marquez is only a punch back to promote a future fight with the two some more, it's also a fight many seem to be excited about. As I previously stated, Marquez made it clear whether it's against Mayweather or not he's moving up regardless as he wants a fight with Pacquiao.

This is the reason behind the fight rather than "ducking" Cotto or Mosley. Last I checked Cotto is scheduled to fight Clottey and Mosley has unfinished business with Cotto as he made it clear he wants very soon. Mosley isn't prime material either, he's 37 years old and turned down a fight with Mayweather when he was 35.

Before just pointing fingers and claiming someone is ducking or whatever you might want to take a better look at the situation and past experiences with one another. It plays a major role in boxing as this isn't WWE, signing fights can be very complicated.

I never said it's a weak division, please don't put words in my mouth now, find me a single quote within this thread where I clearly state it's a weak division. The division is hardly weak, if it's weak I'll understand his choice of fighting Mora. The division has some solid fighters to mention and #1 on the list is Abraham.

Again you switch the topic from Pavlik to Mayweather/Marquez like you have both fighters memorized and calculated how much they will weigh fight night. Please spare me man, I'm not an idiot to fall for such junk, if I wanted to calculate how much they will weigh then I'll do so myself without the need for your help.

I'll drag you back into topic, Pavlik's Middleweight title defenses so far have been against tomato cans and there's nothing you can say to prove otherwise especially when there are solid fighters out there he can fight instead. Again I repeat, a tomato can in Sergio Mora coming off a LOSS at Jr. Middleweight is NOTHING compared to Marquez, like you tried to hint.

If you know anything about Mayweather you would know that he made a career fighting bigger opponents/fighters. If you can't see that now then you are either a hater or you need to be educated with Mayweather and his career. You sound like the Margarito temporary bandwagon jumpers who appeared in 2006, here's news for you, Mayweather's career didn't start in 2006 and even if it did he became undisputed WW champion that year.

Cotto is scheduled to fight Clottey and Mosley has plans to fight Cotto in a rematch. I don't know if you're stupid or just ignoring these facts to try and show life in this discussion.

I don't really care about what suggestion you're giving the boxing public though I would suggest that you educate yourself some more with boxing and how the negotiations works, would also recommend that you watch more fights to understand what goes in the ring. When I see someone telling me Sergio Mora coming off a loss at Jr. Middlweight, knocked down and looked silly against a shot to pieces Vernon Forrest is similar to Marquez moving up 1 division and a half up then I feel sorry for that person and would like to help educate.

The fight he's making is a very good fight especially for someone coming off 2 years of inactivity, if anything I see many people picking Marquez already. Show me ANYONE picking Mora over Pavlik, that's like picking Garry Lockett over Pavlik. If Mayweather is still gaining an edge they would have declined the fight like the already said they will if it was at 147. You're trying to tell me you know more than them?

Now that they are ready?, what are you smoking man?

How are they ready when Cotto is coming off a brutal KO loss and Mosley is looking to avenge a loss to Cotto?, that's ready to you?, I won't be surprised if it is, if Mora is ready material then this is nothing I guess.

Again I repeat to you, the fight isn't at WW, do you keep ignoring that to prove yourself a troll or to still TRY and show life in this already laughable one-sided discussion?

The BHOP fight was a statement making fight and also a fight he was a huge favorite going in, meaning it was PRO Pavlik to make a statement for Calzaghe, that backfired and brutally, this is also a 44 year old Hopkins we're talking about. If that's a WOW fight to you then I don't know what you're smoking or just bringing it up because Pavlik ended up getting his ass handed to him in one-sided fashion.

Keep typing rubbish, it still doesn't prove nothing, the public's reaction is more than enough. So far the title defenses are those and this is Pavlik's CAREER we're talking about, please remember that Mayweather's career isn't even at Welterweight, I can bring up great defenses he made at lower weight divisions and put an end to your nonsense real quick. But because I know it will be one-sided as hell I'm giving you a chance to type something.

Taylor x2 - Very good fight
Gary Lockett
Marco Rubio
Sergio Mora

That's his title defenses, want a discussion of careers between him and Mayweather?, are you sure?

Pavlik's greatest wins career wise:

Miranda
Taylor x2

Want me to list Mayweather's?, don't think you even want to go there really.

 

Well, you aren't going to answer my points so I'll cherry pick too.

Here we go with this again. None of these guys are allowed to fight Mayweather in the meantime? Cuz Mayweather has no business at WW since he left two years ago he comes back and gets his terms? This is nonsense. You really think Mosely wouldn't have fought him now? Mosely has no dance partner at the moment. He wants Pac next, not Cotto and Roach told him no since he can't make 142.

Cotto has a fight. I'd lay money Mosely would have taken the fight. Get off this crap that they can't fight Mayweather without fighting each other first.

Excuse me. Isn't it over the LWW limit? Doesn't that by definition make it WW? You keep trying REALLY HARD to downplay the weight disparity between Mayweather and Marquez but keep calling Mora a LMW? atsch We both know, or should know, if two guys of equal talent fight, the larger guy has the advantage? Are you even willing to say Marquez is as talented as Mayweather? And not just for this thread. I know you aren't going to tell me Marquez is the bigger man are you?

 

I don't know if you have issues reading or what exactly but I did answer you numerous times. The one who keeps bringing other people into discussion to try and cover up for Pavlik's pathetic resume is you. The discussion here is Pavlik/Mora, who brought up Mayweather?, wasn't it you after receiving questions you couldn't handle?

Sure then, let's play along.

Mosley already stated that the fighters he want is either Cotto in a rematch or Pacquiao. The Pacquiao talks are also getting hotter as there is another topic with a reliable link confirming Mosley's desire to fight Pacquiao and him accepting to move down in weight for it. Might want to check it out, also might want to check out the ESPN interview with Mosley after his win over Margarito and him showing interest in a Cotto rematch. If you're not following up I suggest you don't mention these guys and make yourself look foolish.

No one said they can't fight Mayweather before fighting each other first, all I did was give you an explanation of how things work and what's going on as you seem to be drowning in Pavlik's ass with **** poor knowledge about the rest. Your requests are beyond pathetic really, Mayweather is planning to fight Pacquiao, he could care less who Mosley is going to fight or Cotto and where is Pacquiao?, he's at 140, why is Mayweather taking lower weight fights?, because that's where he's planning to go to make THAT fight happen. In the mean time Mosley might want to avenge his loss to Cotto as Cotto might want to avenge his loss to the suspended Margarito and since Margarito is suspended getting major win to be back on track is highly necessary and is the way to secuee big fights.

Don't you get it or are you that stupid?

Again you bring up the WW crap. It's not at light welterweight and it's not at welterweight either, it's a CATCHWEIGHT. Pavlik fought Hopkins in a catchweight, it's wasn't a Super middleweight fight nor a light heavyweight fight. Do you want me to give you more examples?, what is complicated with it?

If you don't approve of it being a catchweight the boxing as a whole DOES and Marquez' team DECLINED a WW fight for a catchweight instead, if there was NO difference like you are DESPERATELY trying to HINT then they wouldn't have taken the fight. Who do we believe?, you or the sport in general regarding CATCHWEIGHTS?

Maybe you believe yourself but NO THANKS I'd rather not and would suggest you learn more about it to avoid looking really stupid like you are here.

Instead of promoting Pavlik vs Mora wake the **** up for once and don't compare Mora to Mayweather/Marquez. End of discussion.

 

i wish it was tomorrow so it could be over with and kelly could fight someone worthwhile. what a waste of time for KP. :verysad

 

Shhhh! Don't say nothin!

Let Scar handle this. He's doing quite nicely...:good





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Scar became a Pavlik hater and a huge Abraham fan on September 29th 2007.:deal