Pavlik/Rubio: What Should KP Do??

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  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Yesterday the 100 year old Pavlik/Abraham poll came back to life, and someone also started a Pavlik vs Williams thread. So, I thought I would make a thread about more immediate concerns.

    I think Rubio is a fairly safe opponent for KP. Rubio earned his mandatory postition a lot more so than many other recent mandatories. Kelly has to fight him, and I think it's a good fight to take after a 12 round ass whoopin'. So, the question is: How should Pavlik approach this fight?

    1) Just go out and there, drop into his normal seek and destroy mode, and end it in under 5 rounds. I think KP is very capable of doing that to Rubio.

    2) Use this fight as an opportunity to work out some new things. As the story goes, when KP was a young amature his style was very different. He was a lot more of a slick boxer than a slugger. At about 16 the power showed up, and his style changed dramatically. I'v seen no tape, but I tend to believe it because he fought at some very high levels, won national championships, and amassed a record of 89-9.

    Personally I'd like to see Pav show us some new moves. I'd like to see more liberal use of a left hook. I'd like to see more movement in the middle of the ring instead of the constant focus on backing the other guy up. And spend some time counter punching off the back foot. KP has a vicious lead right, but he uses it very sparingly; use that more. Finally, Kelly is ambedextrious, but he almost never switches to southpaw. I'd like to see him do that. All of this is probably to much to work out in one fight, but working a coulple of these things into his game would impress me more than blowing Rubio out would.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. TFFP

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    I would just tell him to out there and do what he does. It will surely work against Rubio.

    Once he's got things under control and some confidence he might want to ease off a bit instead of forcing a stoppage and maybe experiment a little.
     
  3. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    That sounds reasonable.
     
  4. GoldenChild

    GoldenChild Formerly Samurai Full Member

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    Just go out and do what he normally does, he'll overpower Rubio.
     
  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Overpowering Rubio is no big deal. I think we would all agree he can do that. I'd be far more impressed by a show of more versatility.
     
  6. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Since I plan on going to the fight I wouldn't mind if Pavlik boxed a bit and worked on a few things before scoring a stoppage. I would enjoy a few rounds of boxing instead of a quick stoppage. But in actuallity I think Pavlik should just do what he does. Apply pressure and take the ko when it comes. I fully expect Pavlik to stop Rubio but if there is one thing Rubio can do it is bang some. I don't know if giving Rubio more rounds and chances to land something big is the smartest move.
     
  7. brickfists

    brickfists The Nonpareil Full Member

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    ambedextrious ???

    are you sure i thought he was a natural left hander who switched it up not an ambedextrious fighter
     
  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    You could have a point about not giving Rubio more rounds. Jack Leow wanted Kelly to carry Pierre for a while, but Pierre started getting real wild, throwing huge punches in the 3rd, and Jack told Kelly he was getting dangerous, and to go ahead and knock him out.
     
  9. booradley

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    I thought he was a converted southpaw too, but Jet Ski said he's ambedextrious, and that guy has gone beyond nut hugger all the way to completely obsessed about KP, so I took his word for it:yep
     
  10. Rock0052

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    I think Kelly should bank a few rounds, but be patient in trying to force the stoppage and then work on some new things. Rubio's tough, but doesn't have much that should really threaten Kelly. This would be the perfect time to practice some new things not just because he's facing a somewhat limited contender, but because it would show the fans that he's learned something from the Hopkins fight.

    Pavlik still hits hard enough to get plenty of knockouts without needing to force the issue- if he went out and Lockett'd Rubio, he'd get credit for bouncing back strong, but I think it's more important for his game long term to show a new wrinkle or two first. If he doesn't do it now, I don't think he'd start doing it against Abraham just by weighing the potential risks if they don't work for him. It makes alot more sense to test it out now against Rubio.
     
  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Yep -- we're on the same page here.
     
  12. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    I agree with whats already been said, KP should just do his thing and once it becomes one-sidingly clear no way he loses, go ahead and try some new stuff.

    This is not the kind of fight where he has to knockout the guy impressively to prove he is still a great fighter.
     
  13. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think Rubio has power on par with Pavlik but I still think he could be dangerous if he hangs around. I think Kelly is going to be a justifiable big favorite but I also think it will be a fun fight while it lasts. As far as mandatories go Rubio isn't bad and like you mentioned he has earned his shot more than most do.
     
  14. JETSKI

    JETSKI Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just got Feb 2009 The Ring mag & on the last page theres a little article about KP vs Rubio & Kelly said he "wants to prove to the doubters that that wasn't the real Kelly Pavlik against B Hop. I wanna make a statement. I wanna look good against Rubio."

    Sounds like he just wants to get in there & totally crush him. But I agree, he should start working on some different things & Rubio would be a good place to showcase 'em.
     
  15. booradley

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    Interesting stuff. In my opinion the problem is that if KP goes out and crushes Rubio, we all say "Kelly is back." (yawn) On the other hand, if he goes out and gives Rubio a serious boxing lesson, most fans will say, "hey, I guess he's learning." To me that is more impressive. At the risk of sounding really corny, remember Apollo Creed in Rocky III; "It takes a helluva man to change." and that's true.