PAVLIK Status ALIVE I've Waited for this ........

old man river shut him out, and put in a complete performance that even a 100% pavlik perobably wouldnt alter the outcome.

 

Exactly. Pavlik never even mentioned the word rematch after the fight.

 

So be clear, then. Do you expect Pavlik would have won, supposing he was "healthy"?

 

maybe he should lure Hops down to 160 to fight for the middleweight title, since he cant hang with the top dog at light heavy, and probably not 168 either..
That fight would be more interesing, imo

 

Hopkins can't make 160lbs in healthy fashion anymore, as was evidenced by the Taylor fights where he didn't have the energy to execute at full pace for the entire twelve rounds and was forced to fight accordingly.

The fight isn't any different at any weight or on any other day. Hopkins has Pavlik's style figured down to the last letter. It was a matter of technique, and that is apparent to any objective observer.

 

well, im definately not objective

 

Apparently.

On that note, I'm still waiting for the "logical, intelligent" one to return and answer my question.

 

i think that when Pavlik is hitting all cylinders he's liable to ktfo just about anyone

 

Ya, except Hopkins.

 

i dont think hopkins can be ko'd either.. i know kelly wont fight hops again, just an idea

 

You are contradicting yourself.

First he would not be healthy at 160 but then he would beat him at any weight ? Which one is it ?

A rematch at 160 would be no cakewalk for Hopkins. It is only fair, the young guy moved up now it is time for the old guy to move down.

BTW, Hopkins made a career fighting guys coming up to his weight, ODH, Trinidad,Winky and so on while playing out his size advantage. I reckon you never stood next to Hopkins but that guy is BIG, don't be fooled by the tiny waist.

Fighters like RJJ or Calzaghe made him look foolish when he could not rely on size advantage and his usual dirty/ugly tactics did not work either.

The only decent big man (similar size than him) he has ever beat was ONE Hit Wonder Grandfather Tarver and maybe I give the Road warrior a honorable mention, but that is it.

Most likely you will call me a hater but I actually have followed Hopkins career since he appeared on Tuesday nite fights which aired perhaps before your DOB.

 

1. I am not contradicting myself. I am saying that Hopkins can no longer go to 160lbs to make the rematch. In other words, a rematch at 160lbs is not possible. If you like to consider Pavlik against a prime Hopkins, Hopkins wins that theoretical match also. Though, it's hard to imagine him improving on what he achieved even at the age he did it.

2. Hopkins also has wins over quality Middleweights, and a domination over Tarver (who was considered THE MAN at the time at Light Heavyweight, who was also a 4 to 1 or 3 to 1 favourite against Hopkins - though this is forgotten in revisionist versions). I'm not going to rehash the garbage about Hopkins against Trinidad (oh, who was also largely a 3 to 1 favourite against Hopkins). Trinidad was undefeated and had established himself with a quality win over Joppy. I'm not concerned with Hopkins' waist.

3. Roy Jones didn't make Hopkins look foolish, despite winning the fight. It was much closer than it is often said to have been. Calzaghe limped by Hopkins with a Split Decision and is currently refusing a rematch that Hopkins is actively pursuing. This hardly makes Hopkins "look foolish".

4. Pavlik is a similar size to Hopkins and had fought Taylor already at a catchweight and won. He also was going on and on about how he felt great at 170lbs, along with his trainer in Loew, saying that he simply had "more pop" and whatnot with not having to cut weight.

5. I don't give a **** about calling people haters. I never have.

 

No -- And I'll challenge you to make me list of Pavlik supporters who said he would have won. The best you'll do is come up with a couple of post by noobs who clearly have no clue how or why styles make fights. What some of us have been saying all along is that Pavlik at 100% would have put in a good performance. Putting in a good performance, and winning are two different things.

 

The odds mean jack.

Fact : all those guys are significantly smaller than him. Period. It is laughable that you mention that midget Joppy..........

Tarvers only claim to fame is a decling Roy Jones........the same Roy who earlier pretty much shut Hopkins out in a boring ass snooze fest. I gues the Executioners mask did not work this time. His faking low blows against Calzaghy was pathetic especially considering that he is one of the most dirty and foul guys around. That was his last resort for not getting stopped because he could not dictate the fight and bring it down to his slowdance. But I do give him credit for his survival instincts and also give him all the props in the world for the knock down which he could not follow up on because he was afraid he would be running out of juice if he could not get Joe out of there.

Rematch ? LOL, that greedy ****er is simply after another payday. Delete the knock down and you are going to get a even more onesided fight, especially after 6 rounds favoring Calzaghe, again.

 

loew told kelly to throw punchesbecause thats how calzaghe beat hopkins. the problem was he was getting countered because he was too orthodox in his method. he had no plan other than throw punches. i'm not a trainer but i know there is alot more to boxing than just throwing more punches. bronchitis or not his plan was flawed and caused him to lose the fight. even more punches would have meant more countering opportunities for hop who repeatedly buzzed pavlik. not a good idea.