Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It amazes me how much people underrate Pavlik and overrate Dawson and how they fail to take into account the fact that styles make fights.:-(
     
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  2. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't believe I'm underrating Kelly.

    Re: Johnson

    I think he doesn't have the chin to brawl with Glenn, and I feel tha's what the fight would be. Both guys coming forward and trading. I think Glen's chin is better. I see Pavlik getting nailed and Glenn finishing things off.


    Re: Dawson

    Chad impressed against Adamek who is more talented I believe, than Kelly.
    Chad has better footwork and ring movement than Kelly, and is stronger in the fundamentals of the game and is probably faster. Kelly would have a little more chance here than with Johnson, as Dawson's chin might be a bit suspect, but probably no more than Kelly's own chin. And Kelly would be moving up (again). Dawson is the bigger guy.

    That said, anything's possible.
     
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  3. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    :yep
     
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  4. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    PAVLIK KO 5, im not that impressed with dawson
     
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  5. King Dan

    King Dan Golovkin Full Member

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    Bad Chad has been my favorite fighter even when no one knew who he was back in 2001.

    Pavlik wins this by wearing Chad down.
     
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  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Well done, mate! Well done!:good
     
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  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    brooklyn is still in search of his compass. He picked Hopkins to beat Calzaghe for crisesake.:roll:
     
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  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Pavlik wouldn't brawl with Johnson. He'd keep him at bay with his jab and land his right on him. Pavlik can get a fairly wide decision by fighting a sensible unspectacular fight. Remember, Pavlik is more steadfast than Dawson. He'd stick to the plan. Johnson doesn't have the workrate to beat Pavlik any more.


    Re: Dawson

    Adamek has a different style! Adamek was fighting at the wrong weight and hesitated when he should have finished him. Kelly's chin is definitely not suspect and clearly better than Dawson's. If Miranda had taken those shots at Dawson, do you think he would have gotten up? I don't. Pavlik's improved a lot since then. Dawson has gotten worse since Adamek. Dawson is not bigger than Kelly, if Kelly had time to build up. This is a major misconception. Chad is tall, but he's not big.
     
    Decebal, Apr 26, 2008
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  9. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    I'm surprised hearing that from you is all....:good
     
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  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Why? When have I not tried to be objective?:huh
     
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  11. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    OK. I'll give you the chance to KO me here. If you include JC and KP in your rankings for 168, where do they fit in?
     
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  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    JC is the best, obviously. I would say, KP would be Top 10 if he went up. Couldn't put him Top 5 yet, though. So...somewhere in that range. Would have to beat another Top 10 to prove himself. Top 7-8? Wouldn't be that surprised if he made Top 5, though. But better than that? I'm not convinced yet. There's a couple of people at 168 with the style and qualities to beat him. Don't have that many weaknesses he could take advantage of. But yeah, he's in the mix.

    JC also beats KP at 168 because of styles and because he's more polished/better overall.

    Happy?
     
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  13. joe the great

    joe the great Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think Dawson comes down. At 175 I would favor Dawson. At 168 I favor Pavlik.
     
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  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Dawson has openly said that he is willing to come down to 168 to fight Pavlik. I wonder if Arum is enthusiastic about Pavlik going up to 168 and fighting Dawson.
     
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  15. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    No. I was just curious. You always had JC as A and Pavlik around B- so I was just wondering if you had realigned you 168 thoughts after 'demoting' JC. I would really love to see Kessler/Taylor but it looks like Taylor will be signing with Trinidad.
     
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