Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    For me, this fight boils down to this:

    Does Dawson have the tactical discipline to keep the fight on the outside for 12 rounds?

    NO.

    Does Dawson have the power to hurt Pavlik, to keep him going backwards/fighting off the backfoot?

    NO.

    Does Dawson have a good enough chin to survive Pavlik's right hand, if it caught him repeatedly, flush?

    NO.

    Does he have the defence to avoid Pavlik's right?

    NO.

    Is Pavlik precise/fast enough to land that right on Dawson repeatedly?

    FOR SURE!

    Is Pavlik a good enough finisher to finish Dawson off, once he hurt him?

    DAMNED RIGHT HE IS!

    So...easy prediction: Pavlik KO 8 Dawson.


    Reason Dawson wants to fight Dawson is because he expects to fight a big MW. WRONG! Dawson also overrates his own chin and defence, not to mention power.
     
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  2. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    That was clearly a heart pick. Brooklyn is 10 times more knowledgable than you or I and he's a better fight picker. You're the only knowledgable poster here saying this would be an easy win for Pavlik.

    I don't understand why you feel the need to put Dawson down by making threads like Dawson vs Haye and claiming Pavlik would stop him easily. You're obviously not a Dawson fan. Before the Johnson fight you were, but now you're not sticking behind him and looking at what that one mediocre performance meant. Instead, you're looking to put him down every time his name is brought up and you're underrating him. It would be interesting to see how you would react if someone like Bute had a bad performance against someone like Andrade.

    Lets hope Pavlik-Dawson happens sometime. I highly doubt it will though because Pavlik will be destroyed by any top SMW before Dawson is even an option. If it does happen before 2010, we should have an avatar bet on it. Since you're so confident in B level middleweight Pavlik, lets make it a year.
     
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  3. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    C Money, amongst many other knowledgeable posters picked Pavlik!:yep

    I am a fan of Dawson, but I realise I was overrating him. Am prepared to admit that not only was he having a bad performance, but that he wasn't as good as I thought he was. ;)

    Bute has a big style disadvantage over Andrade. Still, I think he's versatile and intelligent enough to decrease the extent of that disadvantage. Also I think he is better than Andrade, enough so to help him overturn the disadvantage and win a close UD in a very hard fight. We'll see. Bute could lose to Andrade even whilst putting in a good performance, without being overrated, because of the style disadvantage.;)

    The difference between the top SMWs and Dawson is that they don't have less power (in some cases - more power (Kessler)), whilst having a much better chin and being much more disciplined and intelligent. :yep
     
    Decebal, Apr 26, 2008
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  4. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What style disadvantage Decebel?
     
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  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :lol:

    I know. People are unfair to Montreal fans. Montreal fans are great supporters but they're also fair.:deal
     
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  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :?

    What? Dawson over Pavlik? Or Bute over Andrade?
     
    Decebal, Apr 26, 2008
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  7. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    qft
     
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  8. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Dawson by UD ... Dawson is something that Pavlik hasn't seen as a pro ... a fighter thats just as tall and long ... with superior speed ... good defense ... and quick in and out movements - and agility.

    Pavlik would be standing there throwing while Dawson would be pivoting and countering.

    This fight will not happen at 168 ... I have a feeling that Pavlik is going to skip that division all together or have a few fights there like so many fighters have done and begin to campaign as a LHW.
     
    fitzgeraldz, Apr 26, 2008
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  9. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Alright, lets hope the fight comes off. There's no point of arguing about it anymore when we disagree on things such as Dawson's power, Pavlik's chin, and Pavlik's/Dawson's ring intelligence.

    You're just a pure nuthugging moron, there's no reason to ever talk boxing with you.
     
    huki, Apr 26, 2008
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  10. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bute - Andrade if u don't mind
     
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  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :-( :verysad :-( :verysad :-(

    And here was I thinking I was arrogant!:roll:

    Bad, baad, huki!:bart
     
    Decebal, Apr 26, 2008
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  12. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IMO Bute has a very good chance against anyone 175lb or less
     
    Gneus7, Apr 26, 2008
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  13. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    I need to be nice to this idiot? He's clearly a blind nuthugger and he constantly insults people when he disagrees with them.
     
    huki, Apr 26, 2008
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  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    IF Kelly doesn't brawl with Johnson, he improves his chances significantly, to the point where he might have a slight edge. But I still see this as a brawl, ending before 6. (BTW, there was nothing much wrong with Glenn's workrate last time out.)

    I definitely don't agree there. Maybe we mean different things by 'suspect'. What I mean by suspect is that if he takes a good flush punch, he will go down. And if Taylor had just slightly better finishing skills , or had remained more composed, Kelly was a whisker away from exposing himself (and by extension, Miranda) in under four minutes of the first fight.

    Jaw is suspect !


    Can't say for sure. i can say that Edison's power is somewhat overrated, IMO. Watch his fight with Abraham.
    If Kelly were to build up, he might be as big as Chad, but right now, I think Chad is bigger (and more skilled).
     
    cuchulain, Apr 26, 2008
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  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Bute is a boxer puncher, who likes to counterpunch; his power isn't special. Watch him against Bika in the first couple of rounds. He likes to take his time to figure out his opponent. He fights quite timidly, minimising risks as much as possible and taking advantage of opponent's mistakes, rather than provoking those mistakes.

    Bika won those first couple of rounds. His loopy right was used effectively as an attacking shot, to close the gap, but also allowed him to defend. Andrade does the same. He throws that loopy right. It would catch Bute time after time. Bute HATES pressure - watch him against Joppy, rounds 3-4. After that loopy right, Andrade would follow up with relentless pressure on the inside. He'd just keep on moving forward. Bute doesn't have the power to keep him at bay. He doesn't have a good jab to keep him away either. He'd have to move and box, from the outside. But Andrade would keep coming! He has great stamina and workrate. Bute likes to have a break, assess the situation, throw a weak jab to draw his opponent in, etc. He wouldn't get to do that against Andrade. Andrade has a great chin and is very solid to the body, so Bute couldn't hurt him. Inside, Andrade would use uppercuts. They get through against Bute - Bute's defence ain't that good. If Bute went for the clinch, Andrade would work the body, relentlessly. Andrade packs quite a punch!

    To win, Bute would need to move very well, constantly, and box from the outside. He'd have to come in with a very good jab too. He'd also have to fight more. This would tire him out. His stamina would have to be great too. Andrade won't give up! He'll keep throwing, coming, hitting...Very hard fight for Bute. Andrade's style is perfect against Bute's, not just because of the loopy right, but also because of pressure and workrate and the fact Andrade is very solid. Not least, Andrade is training with Grant now, who's improving his boxing a lot. He is becoming more precise, his footwork is improving, he throws more effective combos...

    Andrade is a solid B with a great style advantage over Bute, who is just slightly better. Won't be surprised at all if Andrade wins this...
     
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