Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Apr 25, 2008.


  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    No **** brother, I can't even stress the difference in level between Dawson and the MW crop that pavlik's been fighting.
     
  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Dawson is A- for 3-4 rounds. Then he goes back to B/B+. Sometimes, he even goes down to B-. He stands there, within range, not throwing and not moving his head, to be hit at will, repeatedly!!! WTF???

    Pavlik would be outboxed and even embarrassed for the first couple of rounds, but not hurt. Taylor's swings that hit had more power than Dawson's "power shots":lol: . At 168, Pavlik's chin would be better too, because he wouldn't be killing himself to make weight so much. He wouldn't be so dehydrated. His power would increase and that right of his is bound to find its mark on Dawson's chin. He would stun Dawson and having done so, he'd finish him. Dawson doesn't have to be A- or even B+ to do the job. His style allows him, a B to B+, to find the mark when Dawson loses the plot as he is bound to do and his finishing skills are good enough to finish the job.

    NO WAY does Dawson stop him before half-time. Not unless one of his wild swings hits flush and he jumps a dazed Pavlik...
     
  3. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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  4. 168 lbs

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    I figure Pavlik has the right stuff to sink Dawson. He ain't too small if he takes his time going up in weight.
     
  5. Biff_McBiff

    Biff_McBiff New Member Full Member

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    The only thing worse than Decebal's boxing analysis is his laughable grasp of anatomy and physiology.

    Since you seem to have a penchant for grading; Boxing Analysis, D+; Anatomy and Physiology, F.

    Please cite for the class the scientific evidence that supports your absurd assumption that a middleweight fighters chin improves as he moves up in weight class to 168. According to your magical thinking, Pavlik should move up to heavyweight where he would be absolutely unstoppable.

    Also, could you please point to human physiology studies that support your weight/dehydration/power-punching nexus.

    The only semi-plausible sentence, "Pavlik would be outboxed and even embarrassed...." trailed off into flawed analysis based on voodoo science assuming Pavliks chin would transform into granite and his punching power become that of King Kong's due to that mysteriously potent eight pound weight gain.

    The second round of the first Taylor/Pavlik fight wasn't due to dehydration, and eight pounds isn't going to substantially improve Pavlik's chin, strength, speed, footwork, or boxing skills.

    Granted, Dawson lost focus and wilted in the late rounds of the Johnson fight and was legitimately hurt in round ten, but to assume Pavlik could or would be as successful as Johnson in pressuring or breaking down Dawson is stretch, at best. I could speculate that Dawson would knock Pavlik out within four rounds based on the first Taylor/Pavlik fight. But even if he doesn't, based on pure athleticism and boxing skill, this fight would not even be close.

    One thing Chad Dawson has done in his short career is learn, improve, and develop new skills each time out.
     
  6. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    I can not give a subjective throw down on this, both are in my top favorite list. Amusing thread though to say the least.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You like Dawson? Why?

    He is a very different type of man from Kelly.
     
  8. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    He's been fun to be a fan of, I guess. The only other fighter I really like that's in the mold of Kelly is maybe Cotto, KO machine. I also like PBF, Bute (lots of KO's there too though). Sometimes it's most fun to follow fighters where there is certain to be DRAMA. Like Chad against Johnson, it has you shittin your pants, then they come thru and you like them that much more. Pavlik/Taylor round 2, I'm lucky the neighbors didn't call the Police for my hell raising at home, screaming "Clinch!!!, throw a effin punch or the ref is gonna stop it!!!!!!, DAMN!!!!,. Then to have them regain and come thru, it's ultimate rollercoaster ride.:good

    **** brother, Zabdiel Judah is on my favorite to watch list too. lol.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I like Zab too - he fight the best - he has balls.
     
  10. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    I did read, though, your posts on Dawson's tactics involving the Diaconu fight, and must admit I wasn't aware of most of those things. The only thing I'd read about was the "Camping outside Sulaiman's place" debacle.
     
  11. madpup

    madpup Active Member Full Member

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    I think it is very hard to pick. Dawson should be able to outbox Pavlik, but he has to maintain his concentration for 12 rounds. Pavlik seems a fantastic finisher, I am not sure he would let Dawson get off the hook the same way that Johnson did.
     
  12. 168 lbs

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    Some here even say Dawson's gonna win by T-K-O. Youthful exuberance, I say.
     
  13. Wit Tank

    Wit Tank Member Full Member

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    Dawson by clear ud. Waaaay too fast for Pavlik. Dawson is understandably getting some flack for a close run thing against Johnson.
    Surprised at how many people have voted for KP actually.:think
     
  14. 11player

    11player Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not happening at 168, too pushy for Dawson. Pavlik would have to go all the way up to 175lbs for this fight.
     
  15. Biff_McBiff

    Biff_McBiff New Member Full Member

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    Yup.

    He sure is. Dawson's got SKILLS.