Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Kinda funny considering Adamek at 175 hits much harder than Kelly does at 160 or will at 168.:deal BTW nothing suggest that Dawson will fade down the stretch he has excellent stamina. Like I said earlier Kelly's chin in this fight will be more important than Dawson's.
     
  2. Biff_McBiff

    Biff_McBiff New Member Full Member

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    Boxing is first and foremost a sport. Now, regardless whether it is done skillfully or not, boxing results in a fair amount of hurt. But, hurt is not the object; scoring punches and preventing your opponent from scoring punches is the object.

    Unfortunately, Dr. Phil, some of us need a little help getting over that grammer school ass-whipping so that we may again enjoy boxing for the wonderful sport that it is and resolve our hurt, (....oh, the hurt....) and allow us to stop using professional boxing as some proxy arena on which to project our masculine insecurities.


    Now, notwithstanding your personal experience with traumatic brain injury or your obvious advanced study of neurolgy, simply restating an unsupported and monstrous canard in order to justify some baseless nonsense, does not make it so.

    Please, illuminate me. Where did the good doctor come upon this "knowledge" pointing to the correlation of spinal fluid concentration/degree of dehydration and a fighters ability to withstand brain concussion?

    Repeating unsubstantiated misinformation may pass for evidence or "common knowledge" down at Shakey's Pub, but the typical high standards of this forum and the rigorous critical thinkers here require evidence or at least some factual basis for your assertions.

    Or, maybe not.
     
  3. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Can't believe Pavlik is winning by this much in votes :huh I bet if Dawson never struggled with Glen Johnson, mostly everybody would be saying Dawson. Dawson has more speed and power than Taylor. If Taylor can hurt Pavlik, so can Dawson. Dawson would do to Pavlik what Taylor should have done.
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Wrong Pavlik was almost KTFO against Taylor and should have been stopped. He was way more hurt in that fight than Dawson ever has been. They both have shaky chins and are about even in this department. You also are leaving out the fact that Dawson is fighting at 175 against naturally larger and stronger men that have an advantage. While Kelly is fighting at 160 against men he's bigger than and stronger than. Let's see Kelly fight at 175 and last 12 rounds with the likes of Adamek or Johnson and see if he wears down.:hi:
     
  5. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Should have, could have . . .but wasnt.

    Glen Johnson started as a midleweight and put a hurting on Dawson. Pavlik is a HUGE MW as is Taylor. The size difference is really not that much.
     
  6. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You're out of your mind if you think that Kelly could come up to 175 and beat Adamek. Admek is much more skilled than Kelly is.:deal He jabs well has better footwork not to mention hits harder. You are also leaving out that Kelly who is already slow at 160 would be a sloth at 175. Kelly-Johnson would be even worse. Johnson wouldn't be hurt by Kelly and would be even eaiser to find than Dawson because he would stand right in front of Johnson and get beat down. I see Johnson beating Kelly by TKO at 175. The fact is Kelly wouldn't beat any of these fighters at 175. BTW your pick of Taylor beating Dawson at 168 is ridicolous.:-(
     
  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Chad fought as a MW as well....hello!:hi:
     
  8. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    Any boxer that uses movement is a runner to you.
     
  9. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    1. Adamek, despite being bigger is quicker than Pavlik and more versatile.

    2. Adamek just made a legit cruiserweight threat in Bell quit on his stool after soundly outboxing him. how is he overrated?
     
  10. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wrong my friend. I have been following Dawson for a long time. His manager used to post at boxrec and we've had many convos.

    Dawson is a natural Lightheavyweight.

    Here is an article I found which states his ideal weight is 175.

    http://secondsout.com/headlines/index.cfm?ccs=532&cs=19961

    From the horse's mouth. :good
     
  11. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good
     
  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Exactly he's called Pea, Dawson and PBF all runners.:-(
     
  13. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You just proved my point, the size difference is very slim.
     
  14. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    a boxer that runs, uses movement to you.

    I dont understand how certain boxers can run for 12 rounds and people say "he used movement". . . and when DLH runs for 3 rounds against Tito - "he ran".

    I call a spade a spade, you can sugarcoat it if you wish.
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Adamek could and should have taken Dawson out, but he showed him too much respect. In any case, Pavlik will make better use of his right than Adamek could have.