Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

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  1. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pavlik can match Dawson's jab and won't have too much trouble landing his right hand. Dawson would win some early rounds by using a lot of movement but will slow down later in the fight and that's when Pavlik will start to break him down.
     
  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It's got nothing to do with how predictable or "average" Pavlik is. It's to do with the fact that Dawson likes to stay put and fight, after a couple of rounds of flashy movement and pitter-patter body-punching. He just stands there, tired. His defence being what it is, the Pavlik jab - which is a 12 rounds jab, not a 4 round jab, would keep pushing him back and the right cross would keep nailing him. He'd come to fight even more, playing right into Pavlik's hands. With 6 months to build up, Pavlik would become a big SMW. Dawson is a normal SMW fighting at LHW. Pavlik is B to B+, just like Dawson, but styles would favour him A LOT over Dawson.

    Easy win...Pavlik KO 8.
     
  3. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :deal
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yap; huki is having a laugh; Dawson doesn't hit much, much harder than Taylor. In fact, he has less power p4p.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :patsch
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Easy win for KELLY!:smooch
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Well, a couple of months ago, I'd go around repeating what the big boys were saying...it's part of the learning process. The next level = doubt. Level after that = start thinking for yourself!;)
     
  8. PACZ

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    Pavlik Easy Knockout Win. Adamek Walked Him Down. Pavlik Could Too. He Would Be Laying Down Not Sitting Though!
     
  9. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    "Down goes Dawson! Down goes Dawson!":lol: :D

    Dawson's game will unfold in the mid rounds and goes sleepy night, night time:good

    Calzaghe vs Pavlik is the FIGHT:good
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I KNEW C Money would see it as it is!:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

    Nice one, C Money! When everyone else lost their heads with the Povetkin fight, we two held true!:yep
     
  11. Executioner

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  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Pavlik's style is much better suited to beating Dawson than Adamek's. Also, don't forget Adamek was having an off night and Dawson gave the performance of his life, and still got put down...;)
     
  13. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    There's a Pavlik backlash of sorts with some of the top predictors. That comes from being Calzaghe fans. But I say? I respected Joe and will continue, thats a great fight with legacy and $$$$$$ at stake for both:good

    Dawson? As I said, will unfold and disappear vs KP:good Pavlik has boxing skill, size, and POWER. Dawson wont go 12 taking those shots:nono :thumbsup
     
  14. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i forgot to add that the judges score cards will be read as the following at the time of the stoppage.

    80-72
    80-72
    and 80-72 for Dawson :yep
     
  15. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    :lol: I thought you were a Dawson fan. You have been seriously underrating him after the Johnson fight..

    Dawson is an A- level fighter, Pavlik at 168 would be B at best. "Dawson doesn't hit much, much harder than Taylor. In fact, he has less power p4p." Yes, he does.. MUCH harder. There's no point of arguing about this. When Taylor landed flush on Spinks it didn't hurt him. He couldn't even affect Ouma with his best shots. He has not scored one impressive KO in his entire career. Imagine what Dawson would do to Spinks or Ouma if he landed on them.. come on, you can't say Dawson doesn't hit a lot harder. And P4P, Dawson punches harder too. Their raw power is about the same P4P, but Dawson's superior speed, much superior accuracy, and much greater punch variety makes his punches harder and more effective.

    There's no way Pavlik would be walking through Dawson's punches the way Johnson did. Dawson's body punching is not pitter-patter, it would affect Pavlik. You keep talking about how Pavlik would constantly push Dawson back and land jabs/right hands on him, but you're ignoring the fact that Dawson would have no trouble landing everything on him and pushing him back. Pavlik fights much worse than Dawson going backwards and again, his chin isn't good enough to not get affected by Dawson's punches.

    This is the guy who nearly got stopped by Taylor in their first fight and nearly lost and gave away the rematch.. Taylor, a fighter who's made for him. Dawson is superior to Taylor in every single way. He wouldn't fight in spurts and he would move around a lot better. Taylor, who can't stick to a plan, has average power at best, is sloppy as hell, and is extremely predictable was able to control Pavlik during many rounds with his movement/outside game and land on him often, stunning him multiple times. If his stamina was better, he could have beaten Pavlik. Dawson is an accurate puncher with better timing, his jab is better, his body punching is better, his stamina is better, his punches are much harder, he's physically larger, he's slightly faster, his movement is better, he fights off the back foot better, his reflexes are better, etc. Pavlik is not Johnson. Pavlik wouldn't come close to beating Pavlik and I highly doubt he would make it into the later rounds, because his defense is **** and at 168 he wouldn't be as effective overall.

    If you believe Pavlik stops Dawson, then you should believe Pavlik beats Bute too. You're making Pavlik out to be better than he actually is and you're underrating Dawson like crazy just because of one dissappointing performance against an extremely motivated, surprisngly top-form Johnson.