Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

Them JC shades are cool!!

But they might be shading you're vision here:yep

Pavlik's better than Dawson:good

 

Dawson.

 

Dawson is A- level to me, Kessler is A. But that all depends on how strict you are with ratings. All I can say is if Dawson is B+, Pavlik is B-.

Taylor's style is not better suited for Pavlik than Dawson's. He's not much of a brawler and his work on the inside didn't matter a whole lot. I mentioned the Taylor fights because of the success Taylor had when he fought on the outside and showed a jab with okay movement. Dawson's movement is much superior, he is larger, he punches harder, and his punches are quicker/more accurate/less predictable. Plus, he has better stamina and punch output. That's why he would have success against Pavlik. Dawson would be able to take a Pavlik right to the chin, just like Taylor was able to take it in the rematch when he had to (who's chin is far from great). Why do you mention Dawson's chin, but fail to mention Pavlik's chin at a lower weight class? In the first Taylor fight, Pavlik was hurt much worse than Dawson ever was in his career.

It is not logical to think that Pavlik will walk through Dawson's punches with his **** defense, no size advantage, and shaky chin. You're also assuming that Pavlik will be the same fighter with the same advantages he had at 168 or higher. His punching power, which isn't great will most likely be worse and his speed will be slightly worse also.

Ignore the Bute comment, I didn't explain that and it has to do with you overrating Pavlik. But I don't want to get into that.

I don't know why you're acting like it's such an easy pick. Is it that hard to see Dawson outboxing Pavlik and making him get his respect, backing him up and stunning him at many points of the fight? You're basing how this fight would go on how the Johnson fight went, which isn't right. Pavlik is no Glen Johnson. I believe Dawson learned things in the Johnson fight and will improve also, but I'm not gonna argue that right now. Pavlik will never improve much IMO and will become significantly worse when he moves up. Comparing this to a fight like Calzaghe-Lacy, where one fighter has a huge styles advantage and is overall a much better fighter is silly. I doubt a lot of the top fight pickers would be picking Pavlik, because most people that know boxing well have a pretty low opinion of Pavlik when it comes to matching him up with elite fighters.

 

He doesn't have a shaky chin? Come on..

Why would he be a bigger puncher at a higher weight? Dawson has weaknesses, but Pavlik has even more and Dawson's style would give him huge problems. Thinking Pavlik would run through him and stop him in the mid-rounds is overrating Pavlik's abilities and underating Dawson's greatly IMO.

I would be very surprised if posters like Brooklyn, Amsterdam, and kg picked Pavlik to get an easy win.

 

I was reading one of Huki's posts, and as soon as I read "shakey chin" I lost all interest and stopped reading. Guys with shakey chins don't get back up at the count of 2, and proceed to dominate their opponent.

 

this is actually a very close and exciting matchup



Dawson by close UD.

btw i started a poll a few months ago asking who was better between Pavlik and Dawson, and 80% voted Dawson.

 

And guys that don't have shaky chins don't even get hurt badly against average punchers and get put into situations where they have to get up and win dramatically. Pavlik has a shaky chin, it's a fact.

I would be willing to make a one year avatar bet with anyone if Dawson-Pavlik is made.

Moron.. Keep living in a fantasy world where Montreal fighters can beat anybody instead of analyzing boxing with logic.

 

I disagree with you on the outcome, but I definietly agree that this would be good match making. I think the poll is about right; 60/40 in favor of Pavlik.

 

I think you just broke my jaw by having it hit the floor dude.......

 

pavlik easy...

 

Are you sure Bute couldn't win this fight? :huh

In theory he could jump in and KTFO out of them with a steel chair, WWE style

 

Chad Dawson by the most masterful performance in recent memory, him scoring a late stoppage is also not out of the question. He would slip those slow telegraph left jabs and keep the fight on the outside, the way Taylor did on the rematch. When you keep Pavlik in the center of the ring and box, then he is completely nullified because his game consist on backing his opponents onto the ropes. Pavlik gets most of his knockouts when his opponent lays on the ropes and Dawson never does this. He is a masterful pure boxer with great handspeed and footwork, When he fought Johnson, he fought on the inside and gave Johnson his chances to win the fight. I am very sure that he learned from his miskates and will continue to use his height and reach advantages.