Pavlik/Taylor II was at 166. Now make me a list of all the other fighters who scored UD wins over Jermain. I'll help ya get started. Hopkins failed twice. Winky failed. Two of the best of this generation failed where Pavlik succeeded. And Taylor outboxed Froch handily. So, the boxing ability is definitely there above 160. The debate about Pavlik above 160 is usually over whether or not he carries his power up. 11 of 13 wins came by KO, most inside 4 rounds. It's not difficult to look at that and realize that if he committed to 168, instead of fighting as a blown up middleweight, he'd take his power with him.
Pavlik is on the verge of being underestimated. Not because of people saying he could loose to Froch, because Froch is such a power hourse that anyone could loose to the Cobra.. but just in general. However, Pavlik has himself to blame. It was painfully obvious that he looked bewildered and mentally beaten after (I am not talking about during) the fight with Hopkins. Pavlik has looked and sounded like he is a defeated boxer with a low and hurt self-understanding these days. This will obviously factor into how fans view him. His teary comments about the Super Six just confirmed this. If he was the old hungry Kelly he would have said "I wanted to be in - 100% - In fact I should have been in and I will do ANYTHING to be the first choice if there is an injury" instead of "they risk ruining their carreers.. and for what? Too little money for such an extreme risk and so many fights in a row at that level". All he needed to add was .. Id rather fight Mora for less risk and be safe.... Come on Kelly.... Shape up or fans will continue to jump off your boat...
don't confuse boxing ability with workrate, Pavlik did not outbox Taylor he outworked him, plain and simple... and yeah, your're right it's about whether or not his power carries, because thats his shine, without the power you just got a fighter with no legs and no flash throwing simple "1-2 combinations" for 3minutes of every round, 12 rounds straight,... it gets monotonous after a while and not many want to see that, which is why he didn't look so good to many people in his 2nd outing with Taylor so the fact is, above 160 he's 1-1 against notable opponents, with 0 KO's....and a completely 1 sided loss so yes, i'd say he didn't look so good in his 2 fights above 160, when you're built up as a KO artist and you dont deliver the KO against a guy you already stopped b4 and then in another fight you get completely schooled, people tend to think that, it's common sense am i right? so weather he had 11 KO's or 11,000 it doesn't matter if they were cans or domestic level fighters at best....they just ain't worth bragging about now i'll leave it at that, i understand he's your boy and you're only trying to defend him, but lets be real Pavlik is at his best at 160 untill proven otherwise......and like i said b4, i'd still favor him over Froch regardless so all of this is really irrelevant
Actually Vindy.com posted an article before the badmouthing article where Kelly said he would have loved to participate. The bottom line is he wasn't invited to Sauerland's party for obvious reasons. Joe Scalzo, the author of both articles has not posted anything from Pavlik since the 2nd article. Rumour was that Scalzo mis-quoted Pavlik and published some statements out of context. There may be some truth to that. Scalzo used to have pretty free access to Pav. Now it looks like he has zero access.:think In a sense KP was right about some things. He stands to make as much money in the Williams fight as the tourney winner will make in the final. Word is that after Williams they'll look at Bute at MSG. That's another big pay day on HBO, the #1 boxing network. Plans go to **** all the time in boxing. We both know that, but what if KP pulled this off? He'd make more money in two fights then these guys will make in 4, and mark my words, the tourney winner will fight the winner of Pavlik/Bute ON HBO. I don't approve of the way KP handled this, but he did make some valid points.
Im backing Pavlik here but only because Im a little unimpressed with Froch so far. To be honest I think hes a boxer waiting to be found out. I was unimpressed with his win over Pascal where I felt the fight was much closer than the judge's scorecards and up until the last few rounds I was extremely disappointed with his performance against Taylor, he really had to pull that one out the bag. He needs to sort out his defence he is nowhere near quick enough to hold his hands so low, hes lucky hes got a decent chin. Still, Im pleased hes got the bottle for the 'super six' but I can see Kessler winning it fairly comfortably. Pavlik needs to sort himself out but I think hes the better of the two and I would have him to knock Froch out in a good battle.
If the bold under lined part is what you saw in the 2nd Taylor fight, I can only suggest that perhaps your ability to see what goes on in the ring is less than it could be.
Pavlik by KO late in a war. Look at common opponent. Jermaine Taylor. Pavlik knocked him out in 7 in the first fight. Then outboxed him to a UD in the second. In the Froch fight, he needed 12 rounds to wear down Taylor, and was down 4 points on 2 of the judges scorecards. Pavlik. Higher workrate, just as strong, and I think the better boxer. Pavlik will have that little extra class to win.
that doesn't work in boxing. but any how i can see both coming away with a ko win . however i'll have to back the proven commodity in KP. and go with him in a 8 round war. really i see this as a 60/40 fight but you have to give KP the edge.
Froch's chin has to be one of the biggest myths running around this joint right now. The guy got savagely put down by two glancing blows from a bloated up Pavlik double-victim, scrapes a last-minute KO from the jaws of defeat, and suddenly he's the second coming of Joe Louis? Pavlik's chin has been tested time and time again.
HERMIT ??? I will try to reverse your answer: "Pavlik is a MW, so he will never face Kessler and Sayerland is to blame for not letting Pavlik into the tournament get it fool "