Pavlik v. G-Man- Who wins?

He was the real thing. G-man beat Roy jones jr. in the AMS.

Won 66% of his fights in the 1st round in a time where the middleweight divsion was on fire. Even when he was injured against the great Nigel Benn (who would also beat Pavlik imo) he put Benn down (and out of the ring) in the 1st and the 8th.

His first fight with the Hawk was class. 2 high speed, high skilled, hard punching middle weights. G took some hard shots in that fight.

G also benefited from probably the best sparring at anytime in one gym. the talent and champions at the time coming out of the Kronk, to this day is unheard of.

 

So did Frankie Liles. Henry Tillman beat Mike Tyson in the amateurs. That only means so much.

And how many real good middleweights did he beat? Besides Julian Jackson, who was smaller and half-blind by that time, what real world class middleweights did G-Man beat? The faded John Mugabi? Jay Bell?

Sadly, I think that played a role in the tragedy. G-Man was already suffering a lot of headaches after the first Jackson fight. McClellan was also notorious for drying out and then re-hydrating and putting on a LOT of weight, which obviously is not exactly healthy. Sparring is also an overlooked factor in guys getting brain-damaged.

McClellan was a very good fighter but he gets overrated because of the "what could have been". Yeah, he COULD have been great. He also could have been a dissapointment and with the health problems he may have brought into the Benn fight, maybe his career had already reached the plateau and was going down even if he had never fought Benn.

Beating The Hawk and guys like Bell and Mugabi doesn't show that he's levels ahead of Kelly.

 

atsch

 

What the ****? G-Man murders him. When did you see G-Man looking chinny? The guy fought Julian Jackson and numerous other punchers and never looked like being stopped. He took huge punishment in a total war with Nigel Benn and Benn was a serious banger who starched the likes of Iran Barkley.

Even so G-Man took all that he was hit with and eventually lost by TKO due to bleeding on the brain that nearly killed him.

So you can forget him being done by Pavlik landing a good shot or two. Now lets look at the other factors..G-Man was 6ft tall so no talk of him being much smaller, he was FAR faster, threw straighter, sharper punches down the pipe and hit like a ****ing train.

He hit even harder than Pavlik does and with raw one punch KO power in each hand. He was a super fast starter who came roaring out of the blocks with fast, aggressive attacks.

Pavlik has been down to a nobody and almost KOd by Taylor in 2. How on earth does he avoid a fast, super aggressive, murderous puncher like G-Man? How? He is not a slick boxer he likes to win by pressure, he comes forward so it will be toe to toe. G-Man has the better chin, G-Man hits harder or at least as hard and he is faster and more skilled.

I simply cannot see how anyone picks Pavlik here.

 

You're the joke, the guy who has picked every man and his dog to destroy Calzaghe a proven elite p4p fighter who has virtually never looked like losing a match.

You then take issue with people picking one of the most brutal punchers the division has ever seen (and someone who was fast and skilled enough to beat RJJ as an amateur) as KOing Pavlik who has shown himself to be vunerable.

It does not mean Pavlik is not the best middle now and it does not mean he would not stand up well to much of the past comp, but a big hitting, faster, slicker opponent who starts fast and who has a solid chin.....how exactly do you see Pavlik beating someone like that?

It would be like me saying Calzaghe outboxes a prime RJJ.....you can say it but it makes no sense.

 

I agree with your points regarding his injury's due to intense sparring and weight draining.

Your attempts to discredit G-man are lame imo(and I'm not trying to get in to a flame war with you). anyone can sit back and try to discredit a fighter: "kelly was dropped and hurt by Zungina and Taylor. Kelly went the distance with Anthony Irvory who has 66 loses. 154 pounder zertuche had him hurt and went 8 rounds with him." And I hold none of that against Kelly b/c anyone with eyes can see he is a special talent. i'm just proving you can do that with any fighter. G-man imo was a bigger special talent and Kelly doesn't have the defence needed to beat him imo. it has nothing to do with overrating anyone. If you look at the fighters my logic adds up even if you don't agree. Kelly lacks the key ingredient to bet G-Man, defense.

That's why most see this as a win for G, kelly style does suit him well in this mythical match up.

 

atsch

 

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GM is faster, harder hitting and with more skills than Pavlik. Would be a compelling match as their styles would mesh well.
Pavlik would have success with his jab and he'd sling quite a few right hans over there (GM wasn't exactly dilligent in defense) but I'd imagine toe-toe he'd have the fire power and punch vareity/sharpness to break KP down by the mid rounds, especially with those left hands to the body. Just too much of a beast for KP.
Great matchup though!

 

G-man and Nigel Benn would own Pavlik so bad that Kelly would have to go round their houses every sunday and wash their cars

 

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he's a vegi but he was really good before that tragic inccedent

 

you just thumbed up your own post :nut

 

Could be a lot like Mc Clellan-Benn. I could see Pavlik having to survive an early assult and some knockdowns. The longer the fight goes the better chance Pavlik has of winning.

 

NO, YOU MESSING WITH ME?

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Originally Posted by Strike
What the ****? G-Man murders him. When did you see G-Man looking chinny? The guy fought Julian Jackson and numerous other punchers and never looked like being stopped. He took huge punishment in a total war with Nigel Benn and Benn was a serious banger who starched the likes of Iran Barkley.

Even so G-Man took all that he was hit with and eventually lost by TKO due to bleeding on the brain that nearly killed him.

So you can forget him being done by Pavlik landing a good shot or two. Now lets look at the other factors..G-Man was 6ft tall so no talk of him being much smaller, he was FAR faster, threw straighter, sharper punches down the pipe and hit like a ****ing train.

He hit even harder than Pavlik does and with raw one punch KO power in each hand. He was a super fast starter who came roaring out of the blocks with fast, aggressive attacks.

Pavlik has been down to a nobody and almost KOd by Taylor in 2. How on earth does he avoid a fast, super aggressive, murderous puncher like G-Man? How? He is not a slick boxer he likes to win by pressure, he comes forward so it will be toe to toe. G-Man has the better chin, G-Man hits harder or at least as hard and he is faster and more skilled.

I simply cannot see how anyone picks Pavlik here.


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see that was strike's post right?