Pavlik vs Abraham Nov 7th At the Garden!!!

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  1. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Hamdan,Gevor,Ikeke,Marquez,all stopped by Abraham.
     
  2. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Hey Jeff -- here's a list of middleweights who took Abraham past 10 rounds:

    Nadar Hamdan
    Ian Gardner
    Howard Eastman
    Shannon Taylor
    Kofi Jantuah
    Edison Miranda
    Khoren Gevor
    Elvin Ayala
    LuJaun Simon.

    Now here's a list of middleweights who took Pavlik past 10 rounds ...... :nono

    Abraham ain't doin' **** to Pavlik.
     
  3. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    Jeff is my man so I'm going to say it like this. Pav has only fought one complete fighter. He lost to that complete fighter. AA is a complete fighter, and Pav can't beat complete fighters. Especially the ones who can box. Taylor was a head hunter with no defense. AA is a head hunter with defense. JT isn't a body punch(thoug he did ok in the Pav rematch), AA is. Pav can't box, AA can. AA can fight inside, Pav can't. Too many advantages for AA which is why he takes Pav out.
     
  4. Toopretty

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    Abraham is a smart fighter but damn for sure not a good "boxer" he does well with what he got but he is not going to outbox any god damn body over 12 rounds and most def not Pavlik. His only option to win is to KO Pavlik. Pavlik has an insane workrate and AA is no BHOP.. as if he moves in the ring and uses angles....lol that is a joke. He covers up in a fake WW defense shell in which he actually gets hit(see broke jaw by Miranda). AA could win for sure with a counter haymaker that he is damn good at landing. But if Pavlik stays cool and confident and keeps up his jab which AA will have NOTHING to stop Pavlik from jabbing him to death. AA could do some damage with a well placed body shot to Pavlik but if the fight goes past 5 rounds and Pavlik is warmed up ....AA is going to get a beating. Pavlik has fought guys who are faster and slicker than him.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Stylistically easy for Abraham-Pavlik's one-two's will just hit Abraham's gloves, Pavlik isn't excatly hard to hit, Jermain Taylor had him on ***** street, and although Pavlik has good recuperative powers, these will only come to fruition half an hour later when he's on his way to the hospital.

    Abraham W K.O 7
     
  6. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    If a 1-2 is all you see when you watch Pavlik, you're blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. That is one of the stupidest, and most inaccuarete comments I ever see on ESB. Furthermore, featherfisted Simon broke through that guard and snapped AA's head back multiple times. what the **** you think is gonna happen when KP starts hitting that guard with jack hammers? As for comparing AA to Taylor, Arthur is not qualified to mow Jermain's lawn.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    Yeah, Abraham;s jaw was broke in the fourth round and he managed to take huge power punches all the way to the end.

    He then went up in weight and went to the U.S to prove who the better man was and sparked Miranda, far worse than Pavlik did (and sooner) if you wanna' play that game.

    Pavlik moves north and looks flabby. He took ages to get rid of Rubio who was previously sparked cold in 55 seconds.

    See what I mean? Doing this is ridiculous.

    The simple fact is Pavlik was knocked onto ***** street by Taylor, who is not a big puncher by any means.

    Abraham is one of the hardest hitters P4P, and if Gary Lockett can even land a punch on Pavlik (which he did although he was hilariously out of his depth) then Abraham can, and although I feel he is weight-drained, he will have enough to spark Pavlik, who;s slow, plodding one-two's will only hit Abraham's shell of a guard.

    If not, hopefully P-Dub will beat Winky and then he can batter Pavlik :good

    Anyways, how come you sucking Pavlik's nuts now, have you gone off the taste of Valero's??? :lol:
     
  8. Flea Man

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    All non-nuthuggers see the same thing I'm afraid. Pavlik is good, no doubt, but styles make fights, Abraham has the better chin, is the harder puncher, and although Pavlik has better reach and a good jab Abraham will beat him as Pavlik cannot take Abraham's punches.

    Taylor is overrated. This the same Taylor who failed to put a dent in either Spinks or Ouma? Yet managed to severely wobble and drop Kelly Pavlik? The same Pavlik who was dropped by Zuniga?
     
  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Abraham is a better puncher? Miranda stopped Eastman in 7. The same version of Eastman took AA the distance. Pavlik has a higher KO ratio against better opposition. I just listed NINE fighters who took Arthur past 10 rounds, and the best of the bunch coud not make 7 rounds with Pavlik.
     
  10. iceman

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    I've just read some of the worst most biased comments ever on Pavlik/Abraham from both sides - the sooner this fight happens the better.


    " pavlik looks flabby" lmao
     
  11. NALLEGE

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    Pav has an insane workrate against bums. AA doesn't have to box like Hop. All he has to do is box period, and use his defense. People say AA has to win by ko lol. He has won by both ko and decision. What makes AA good is that he can throw wide or straight punches. Pav can't do that. We call fighters like Pav in the gym Mr. left-rights. As tough as Pav is, his defense will fail him.
     
  12. iceman

    iceman Tis my Island Full Member

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    Boo - if you have watched much of AA it is fairly obvious that he could have taken most of his opponents out much earlier if he pressed the issue at all.I don't know why he starts out so lethargic at times and he seems to fight to the level of his opposition.
     
  13. iceman

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    And bums have an insane workrate against AA - Abrahams 30 second flurries wont win rounds against Pavlik.AA will not win this fight on points, he will need to KO Pavlik to get the win
     
  14. Tom_Tocca

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    Saying this for a long time but about 95% on this board don't listen... :think
     
  15. NALLEGE

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    AA's flurries...:lol: AA can win either way against Pav.