Pavlik vs Abraham: Who decides the TEMPO of the fight?

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    I guess I didn't realize until after Abraham schooled Arlock Mahginaz Sogonovavich from Ugoslavigan that the guy was such an elite boxer, so perhaps I'm wrong about him not being able to dictate the fight between he and Pavlik.

    :patsch

    The reality of the situation though is that Abraham has no chance of outboxing Pavlik if Pavlik were to turn the heat on, and it would likely be the worst possible approach that Abraham could take.

    The fact of the matter is that Abraham has the best chance in the fight in letting Pavlik come to him, as Abraham utilizes his high guard with no headmovement, backpeddling occasionaly, (guess that's great footwork), and then either A) letting Pavlik tire himself out or B) let Pavlik get sloppy and frusterated and let Abraham on the inside where his one punch KO power is most lethal.

    Personally, I think that this is the worst approach for Kelly to take, because Abraham is a protypical slugger, and the worst way to fight a slugger who can knock you out in one punch is to take the fight to them, especially by throwing a great deal of volume.

    You box a slugger.

    And it's clear as day in Wichita, Kansas where there is not a cloud in the ****in sky, that only Pavlik can decide the approach to this fight effectively. Because it's still possible that Pavlik could bang Abraham out by taking the fight directly to him, but it's dangerous and in my opinion the worst possible approach.

    So it is Pavlik who's boxing ability is several times above Abraham's can utilize his reach, height, and jab to neutralize Abraham's short stature, lack of jab and explosive feet, and lack of workrate to win the fight by a relatively comfortable UD, rendering Abraham with only a "puncher's chance."

    Because as we all know, Abraham has a low workrate, and his lack of headmovement, handspeed, and effective jab, would make it very difficult to play the role of a volume puncher which is precisely how you take the fight to a man who is outboxing you whom you cannot outbox.

    And Abraham SURE AS HELL CANNOT outbox Pavlik.

    I'm sorry.

    So, my question is, and look at this with a clear head, WHO DECIDES THE TEMPO OF THE FIGHT.

    To me, it's clear as day.
     
  2. TFFP

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    Pavlik obviously, but its actually meaningless. Abraham ideally likes his opponent to set the tempo, he often looks worse when he is expected to set it against a lower level opponent.
     
  3. Alcaldemb

    Alcaldemb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HATER!

    Oh and you're right fighters from Eastern Europe aren't worth ****, they just happen to succeed due to sheer luck. I will say this, it is funny that America's best middleweight, Pavlik, is actually of Eastern European ancestry, does that irk you cappy boy?
     
  4. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    My point is that if Pavlik decides to box Abraham, Abraham is going to be out of his element and reduced to only having a "puncher's chance" of winning the fight.

    Abraham needs Pavlik's ego and arrogance to play in his hands by coming straight at Abraham and trying to knock him out.

    That's Abraham's best chance of winning the fight. That's a 50/50 fight, perhaps even higher in Abraham's favor if Pavlik goes right at him.
     
  5. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Read what I wrote before you criticize me.
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your xenophobic maybe rasict prejudice is a pretty weak argument don't you think?

    By the way, what is your definition of "outboxing"?
     
  7. TFFP

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    Pavlik always "boxes" the exact same way. He'll jab his way in, usually fairly straight forward with no angles or speed, before letting his hands go. It doesn't make a difference, he'll still be in range of Abraham's unpredictable, sometimes wild counters.
     
  8. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    You don't even know what race I am.

    I might be from Ugoslavigan for all you know.

    I didn't say anything racist. How the **** could this possibly be racist? I'm the least racist person that you'll ever meet.
     
  9. BITCH ASS

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    I don't agree. I think Pavlik's second fight with Taylor showed that he was capable of respecting a fighter's power and establishing a distance.

    However, Taylor, is a much faster, rangier, and sharper puncher than Abraham.

    Abraham does punch much harder though.
     
  10. Alcaldemb

    Alcaldemb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You said Abraham isn't a good boxer, has poor footwork, and couldn't deal with Kelly boxing. And your critisized his opposition for not being almost exclusively American.

    If you think Abraham cannot counter a jab or straight right in the middle of the ring you clearly haven't seen many of his fights.
     
  11. BITCH ASS

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    My point is that it's one thing outboxing another guy that can't box, but it's whole different scenario when you start getting up to the championship level and take on guys like Taylor, Hopkins, and Pavlik.

    Against Sturm, Abraham would have a little more than a puncher's chance, but fortunately for Abraham, Sturm isn't an elite boxer and doesn't have much of a punch to deter Abraham from coming foward.
     
  12. BigBone

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    BTW, exactly which Abraham fights have you seen? Please name them and tell me your opinion of each fight to convince me you've seen them (other than the two Miranda fights of course).
     
  13. klion22

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    I never thought about it like that. I just assumed that Pavlik would come forward and commit. But it might not be so outrageous to think that he will come in with a game plan to box Abraham because of Abraham's immense power. But then again, Miranda had devastating power also and Pavlik neutralized his power by forcing Miranda backwards.

    Nah, after thinking about it, Pavlik doesn't play it safe and try to outbox Abraham from the outside. He comes forwards and as he would say, "throw a sh*tload of punches". :lol: That's all he knows how to do and that's why people love him. I guess Abraham is better than Miranda at throwing punches while going backwards but a defensive minded guy like Abraham would go even more into a shell against a guy like Pavlik. Abraham would have to land a big shot to win against Pavlik because he sure as hell isn't outpointing Pavlik.
     
  14. TFFP

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    Pavlik will set the tempo whether he establishes a distance or not, this is a different argument entirely. Abraham expects and probably wants Pavlik to set the tempo, because it means he is throwing most of the punches, and you can't protect your chin and throw punches at the same time

    How well Pavlik can maintain that distance is a key. I'm not exactly sure how well he did it against Taylor, he took quite a few shots early.
     
  15. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a more complicated question than it might appear. While viewing the Abraham-Miranda fight, anyone would have said that Miranda was dictating the tempo of the fight. But in hindsight it's very clear that Abraham was luring him in like a spider to a fly. Pavlik is going to come out with guns blazing, looking to sneak punches around Abraham's gloves, but it will take a few rounds and some counters from Abraham to determine who's really dictating the flow of things. I think that by round 5 or 6 either Pavlik will have squeezed through Abraham's defense or Abraham will time Pavlik and put him on his ass. Can't wait to see this fight no matter how it turns out.