Pavlik vs Andrade & Bute

I've always thought Abraham would beat Pavlik.

If Pavlik can move up well, I see no reason why he couldn't beat Bute and Andrade....though I think Andrade would be a tougher fight, just down to his toughness. Bute would caause Pavlik no end of problems, but he's shown this weekend he can be badly hurt. If pavlik could get to him a couple of rounds earlier he'd have it in the bag.

However, by the time Pavlik's ready to make a wholehearted move up he would already have been K.O'd by Abraham, and his stock would've fallen.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.......

 

I think Pavlik would be in serious danger of sustaining a hand injury if he was to fight Andrade

 

I have critisized Calzaghe for many things, but I have NEVER dissed him for moving up in weight. You're just making **** up. Futhermore, I never said he didn't deserve to win. I said Calzaghe/Hopkins was damn near unwatchable, and that it was hard to give rounds to either guy because they both sucked! Again, you're either intentionally lying, or just pulling things out of your ass.

Furthermore, there has been a trend ever since Kelly won the titles that he is the one always expected to move up. Calzaghe, Kessler, Froch, and others talk all kinds of **** about fighting Pavlik. If they can't make 160, they need to shut the **** up. I've said that dozens of times.

Fact: Pavlik's elbow injury was far worse than any of us knew before the fight.

Fact: Pavlik was diagnosed with Bronchitis just 4 days before the fight, and was administered anitbiotics, including injections.

Fact: Team Pavlik had several meetings discussing post poning the fight, but Kelly wouldn't OK it.

Those are facts, not excuses.

If excuses, nonsense, and absolute bull**** is what you are looking for, just Google Joe Calzaghe.

 

You know -- that is a very really possibility. Kelly was out 9 months after the Zuniga fight due to hand surgery, so ya, it could happen!

 

The history of boxing is littered with boxers moving UP in weight, not so much moving down. Yes, you did critcise JC for fighting Hopkins. Maybe not the move up in itself. Pavlik has talked **** about moving up in weight to fight Calzaghe, when he tried he failed miserably. The fact that he refused to cancel the fight because of an elbow injury or bronchitis is irrelevent. The fact is he got dominated by a fighter Calzaghe beat 6 months previously.

Pavlik has to show us what he's made of now by coming back with a vengence and less excuses.

 

Loses to both of them. Bute would win a wide decision and I can see late Andrade TKO.

 

Quit the ****ing excuses. You're full of them.

 

Andrade is certain to win by T/KO. Bute could very well stop Kelly himself, he is also very large and strong and would tattoo Pavlik for several rounds.

 

Is there actually any proof he had bronchitis? Before that's said as a fact.

His dad / manager said it, but it makes sense to make it sound he was disadvantaged in some way.... fighters who have lost often have such excuses, and if it's a "fact" going off just that then I don't think it can be classed as one.

 

First off, there is a HUGE difference between excuses and facts. I am a nurse; that's what I do every ****ing day of my working life. A doctor would only administer injectable anitbiotics for bronchitis in extreme cases. It would normally be treated with oral anitbiotics only. The exception would be a severe case.

With regard to the elbow injury, it was much worse than we knew, and it was kept quiet. We did not get wind of it here on ESB until 10 days after it happened. Kelly saw an orthopedic surgeon, a physical therapist, missed several work outs, and stopped sparring altogether for several days. It was not 100% when he entered the ring.

Kelly made the choice to go ahead with the fight even though others advised him to post pone it. That was his mistake. A mistake that may indicate that his balls are bigger than his brain. At the world class level of boxing that is not a good thing.

As far as coming back with a vengeance, the word right now is that he will fight Rubio in February. I'm sure Pav will come out looking to make a statement, and I agree with him taking this fight. It's his WBC mandatory, but how much of a statement can he make when Rubio is the opponent? Not much.

At this point I would like to see KP stick with his original goal of unifying his division. I would like to see Rubio, Abraham, and the winner of Sylvester/Sturm all happen next year. He should take the time to build something of a legacy at 160, gain a little more experience, and then take a look at moving up in 2010.

Am I contradicting myself? No. Wisdom makes new decisions, and forms new opinions based on additional information.

 

Thing is, Pavlik punch resistance is nowhere near Andrade. Pavlik have been down before many time (4 time I believe).

 

This is only their word though rather than a "fact"?

I doubt it would have ever been mentioned if Pavlik had won, it could have come out before the fight... so I find it a little strange how it only came out after he'd lost. Even if Pavlik was a little below his best, Hopkins would have won that fight 10 times out of 10 I think.

Having said that hopefully it won't effect him too much and he can be involved in some big fights such as a unifier with Abraham!

 

Pavlik doesn't have to solve any puzzles with Andrade and would win a decision. Pavlik will have to work harder against Bute but he would eventually catch him and finish him off.

 

I bet you said he would beat Hopkins too

 

Yes I did, based on Hopkins slowing down in the last few years but I knew it would be tough for Kelly. Andrade and Bute are nowhere near in skill level to Hops.