Pavlik vs Andrade

Stieglitz is clearly B-.

You think he'd drop 2 ****ing rounds to Banks?

Give me a break.

If Andrade beats Bute, does he get credit? Because Bute's an established top SMW.

 

This would be an absolutely amazing fight, and I disagree with anyone saying that it would be a blowout from either end. What concerns me with Andrade is how he allowed himself to be backed into the ropes tonight. If he allowed Pavlik to do that then he would surely kiss the canvas (although I don't think he would allow it since he's the bigger man at 168). Pavlik is a more technically sound fighter imo though....not by much I should point out. I think I would favor Pavlik in this fight; but its a very good matchup and could go either way. If it gets signed I will break it down more

 

Pavlik and Andrade are both in the B range, wherever you want to place them as long as it's the right letter.

Andrade is bigger and physically stronger. He has an iron chin, whereas Pavlik is vulnerable.

How do people pick Pavlik? atsch

 

The funny thing is that Andrade didn't drop a ton of rounds and rally late, he basically dominated him and broke him down and showed some good intangibles and good qualities.

Berrio landed a lucky punch on Stieglitz, but was otherwise losing and lost their first very badly.

It says well for Andrade that he was so dominant and tactically proficient with his work. I realise that he's sloppy and awkward, but he's far from crap and winning 12 rounds straight against him takes an elite level fighter.

 

Well you just stated why some people take Pavlik: they are both B level fighters so is it really out of the question to take on or the other?

As far as chin goes I personally think they are on the same level. What sets them apart is how Andrade rolls with the punches while Pavlik takes them flush. Just my .2 cents

 

I've just taken it you're not to fond of Pavlik, eh?

I admit, he doesn't look fabulous or does he have a very real honed skillset, or very versatile, but he's effective and good at what he does. Now, he doesn't always look mesmerizing when he does what he does, (some might even say he looks average!) but he get's the job done.

But, you could say I have a bias toward hard working, middle class midwestern white fighters, fighters that I can identify with. (even ones that are clearly semi-autistic tools). So, who knows?

 

Andrade is not a bad fighter at all. He can give anybody that isn't elite nightmares. His work-rate, pressure, solid punching and granite chin make him a tough fight

He got clowned against Kessler, because he is elite, his footwork was just too ****ing quick for him. He won't have that problem with Pavlik, he moves like a snail

 

Pavlik ain't going to land in that percentage that Kess did mate, Stieglitz even showed that Andrade is not completely incompetent defensively.

Pavlik's sloppy and slower, can't fight going backwards at all.

 

Stieglitz actually impressed me to be honest. He is indeed a good fighter and I agree that he is B- level. Do you really take Andrade over Bute though Amsterdam?

 

A-ha, but you see, I stated why people shouldn't pick Pavlik.

If they're roughly in the same range in all-around ability (they are) - then, whoever has the intangibles and physical advantages is going to get the edge. Skill and power are even (Pavlik may punch a little harder p4p but there is no evidence that he carries the same punch at an elite level at 168..also he is not a one-punch KO artist), Andrade gets the edge in chin and size. Overall, it clearly tips in Librado's favor.

 

Yusuf Mack dropped him in the first round of their fight ? so he can be floored at least.

 

I can agree with that. Like I said though; if Andrade allows Pavlik to back him up then Pavlik wins this fight no problem. Like you stated though; Andrade is the bigger man so I doubt he allows it. This would be a fantastic fight! :good

 

I do not share that bias. I'm one of those guys who gets really annoyed with networks like ESPN and HBO who shove fighters' "backstories" down your throat. I don't care that Baldomir sold featherdusters. Miranda eating cats is something I really didn't need to know about (and along with his shitty performances post-Abraham, helped unravel my willingness to root for him). I don't care where fighters come from or what they've done outside the ring.

Inside the ring, Pavlik is effective against B-level fighters and has sufficient tools to win a title. Good for him. His fights can be exciting despite being sloppy, sure. I will never enjoy his style, however, and will always pull for a more skilled boxer over him. So if I have bias, it has nothing to do with class or race - if anything it's that I'm biased against his style. And strictly from a purist boxing analyst perspective - that's probably a more relevant and acceptable bias. :good

 

Mack hurt Andrade?

He got a very much flash KD. Andrade looked hurt for about an eight of a second. He got up fine and kept going.

 

Yeah, terrible style for Bute and when Andrade gets behind, he's at his best in terms of pressure and ferocity, which Bute will gain a lead and possibly even stun him a few times.