Pavlik vs Calzaghe analysis

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  1. PugilisticPower

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    PugilisticPower, May 15, 2008
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  3. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Well, instead of pointing out that you didn't read the thread because of a disagreement in analysis, point to a fight that Pavlik showed adaptability beyond his usual come forward, throw the jab, throw the right hand, throw the hook style that has been successful for him.

    He's a routine, predictable fighter. Doesn't make it a bad thing, Ali was a routine predictable fighter during the prime of his career too.
     
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  4. prideofvbeach

    prideofvbeach Top 10 Pound-For-Pound Full Member

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    Well, I did read beyond that, although Pavlik would not have won the second Taylor fight if he hadn't adapted for a technical battle. That statement is short-sighted, although not as short-sighted as claiming Calzaghe could KO Pavlik. Joe throws in volume beyond the power isn't there. He ability to damage the other guy comes from the fact that he lands three times for every one the other guy does. That's the only reason he won against Kessler, Hopkins, or Lacy (and the only reason Lacy or Kessler looked blasted by the end). If Joe had the same output as those he beat, his record would look more like Arturo Gatti's. Personally, I see the end result to be a mirror of the Kessler fight, 116-112 for Calzaghe.
     
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  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    So you consider adaptability to be going from jabbing and throwing the right hand.... going to...jabbing and throwing the right hand ?
     
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  6. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Listen, fighting from the outside and throwing the jab, compared to coming forward and throwing the jab, isn't really adaptability in my view.

    Adaptability for me is a guy who can go from throwing combinations on the inside to the body and head, roughing up his opponent - to then going to the outside, counter punching, etc.

    Even when Pavlik moves back, he gets off first.

    He's not adaptable in the sense that Joe Calzaghe (or other top fighters) are adaptable.

    As for coming back and stopping them later - well yes, adjustments were made, he knew which punches to look for, he didn't really adapt his core style - he didn't suddenly become a head moving, shuffling footwork fighter who threw combinations to the body and bounced out again now did he?
     
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  7. PH|LLA

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  8. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I don't see Joe putting Pavlik's lights out but it's not beyond me seeing Joe accumulate damage on Pavlik over a number of rounds to the point that the corner pulls the plug.
     
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  9. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    I like Pavlik, he's good for the game. He should avoid Calzaghe at all costs. I'm not being funny but Joe would derail Pavlik something rotten over the course of 12 rounds. Never before have I put money on a Superfight but this, to me is easy-pickings. Kelly just doesn't have the brains to deal with Joe. He has the height, reach, power but doesn't have the speed of thought needed to deal with a Joe Calzaghe. Forget hand speed and footwork, fighting Calzaghe needs a level of awareness that Hopkins showed, the power of a good Light Heavyweight, a great defence, fitness and stamina in abundance and good solid boxing skills. Pavlik has defensive flaws that would be cruelly exposed by an on-song Calzaghe and lacks the where-with-all to box on the fly. For these two reasons alone, I can only pick one winner.

    Joe hasn't stopped anyone for years... I don't see how he could stop Pavlik nowadays.
     
    PrideOfWales, May 15, 2008
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  10. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If this fight does come off Joe will be looking to go out huge especially after that sloppy fight with Hopkins...I think Kellys style is perfect for Joe and while kelly will have some early moments i could see Joe winning by late stoppage or UD
     
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  11. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    So says Ted Stickles the HUGE Pavlik fan.:rofl :rofl
     
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  12. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    By the way, I see it as the exact opposite, Joe will have some nice moments early, but by the 6-7th round, Katie bar the door boys.
     
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  13. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Adaptability to me is an ability to change the style of your fight completely and completely put your opponent off their game.

    Pavlik does not do this.

    Any argument otherwise is pointless.

    How did he beat those guys? Small adjustments, a tonne of heart and eventually breaking them down

    Not an instant fix early in the fight and then absolute domination.
     
    PugilisticPower, May 15, 2008
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  14. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Sir, the times Mr. Pavlik WAS dropped in his career, it was ALWAYS within the first 1 or 2 rounds. Now are you seriously saying he made no adjustments from what he was doing at first to come back and KO each one of them?
     
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  15. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Calzaghe in 5 rounds, Pavlik is not ready, nor will ever be ready for Joe Calzaghe. This is a blue collar fighter vs. an executive fighter, just won't work.
     
    Amsterdam, May 15, 2008
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