Pavlik vs Calzaghe analysis

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  1. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Not to the level that I consider him to be an adaptability based fighter.

    You get hit with a hard right hand, you tend to remember that hard right hand is coming and you're better prepared, despite not really changing your style to take it.

    Minute adjustments are one thing and Pavlik has shown the ability to do that.

    Adaptability is another.

    Joe Calzaghe is adaptable.
    Floyd Mayweather Jr is adaptable.
    Bernard Hopkins is adaptable.

    Pavlik is not.
     
  2. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Kind sir, Pavlik has won all 33 of his fights using minute adjustments.


    Also it appears in your post that only really slick boxer types make your definition of adjustments any ways. So I'll just drop this one.
     
  3. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I respect the guy immensely for his achievements, I'm not Amsterdam who is so obviously a ***** with no respect for anyone that everything he says towards fighters is vile or absolute nut hugging...

    Pavlik is a great fighter, with a ****ing huge heart, durability and stamina and will keep coming all night long. He has rattled off win after win after win, against the odds, including Miranda and Taylor and has done so while remaining completely humble about it.

    How can you not like the guy?

    I just think in the case of him going up against his first real slickster style, a style that seems to adapt to the fight, Pavlik hasn't shown any GREAT deal of adaptability, he hasn't needed too, he's steam rolled most of the guys he's fought.
     
  4. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    OK on that note, I'm starting to really like you.:D
     
  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    hahaha, Got no problems with people that show admiration for a fighter but the way he posts about certain fighters here just bugs me.

    Side note, I WANT Pavlik to win if they fight because it would give us a superstar, we need a superstar and if he did win against Calzaghe, having upset the odds several times prior, you'd have to say he's got an x-factor that isn't easy to analyse.
     
  6. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Fine post. And I'm a long time believer in that X-factor that even a lot of ESB's top P4P analyst have missed on a few occasions.

    The Miranda fight, I could count on one hand the Pav fans on here backing him for that. Taylor I, most gave no chance in hell.


    The second fight the board almost came to 50/50 though, and I'm noticing here lately the work put in by me and the original team Pavlik pioneers on here has not been in vain. Starting to see quite a bit of people coming to the home team.

    I tell you what is a ***** though, I saw Amsterdam taking like a 1 year ban bet on Pav to beat Taylor, and naively, I thought COOL man, one of the top dogs really believes in my guy. But low and behold, it was just to make fun of Taylor for getting starched by a "shitty B- Level guy, that really sucks", just to prove his "point" about how **** JT was in his opinion.
     
  7. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    pavlik adapted against taylor. he adapted against zertuche. and overpowered a cat who was supposed to be stronger and quicker(miranda). he will win this fight. his power will be too much for calzaghe. if b hop can knock down calxaghe with a simple counter imagine wat the power of a pavlik fight can do. pavlik via ko in round 9
     
  8. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    If Pavlik wins this fight by KO, I can't see it being late like that as Calzaghe sets a ferocious pace. It's the kind of pace that cannot be replicated against any other fighter. If it goes 9 rounds, I don't foresee Pavlik having that much left to stop Joe with.

    Do you see it being fairly even until that point?
     
  9. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Pavlik is better than Sakio Bika. Bika gave JC HELL! Kelly has the style to give Joe fits and possibly beat him.
     
  10. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ^^^^

    pavlik always fights at a furious pace. he throws alotta punches. to me taylor is faster and a stronger hitter than calzaghe. i think pavlik has better stamina than people give him credit for. his power will be too much. i think the fight will be similair to the first taylor fight. he may lose a few rounds early but his power will be felt and will lead to a ko
     
  11. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    My man, please if you will, describe the stoppage? Are we talking about a ref jumping in on some wild flurry type **** ala Manfredo?

    Or do you think Joe's ferocious punching power will drop Pavlik and keep him down for the count?

    In Pavlik's KD's he's suffered, from either a BIG shot, or a hellacious onslaught barrage by Taylor, he was up by the count of 2 at the latest.
     
  12. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    cal has never fought someone with the power of pavlik. he will be dropped. its very simple
     
  13. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    What does Pavlik have that the 45 opponents Calzaghe has faced don't? How can Pavlik, the lower weight division boxer, tag and stop a man in a higher weight class who has a proven chin and punch resistance against heavy punchers?

    I'm not trying to be smart, I'm just curious to find out why you think what you do.
     
  14. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    How do you rate Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler, Robin Reid's power compared to Pavlik?

    I just don't see how he can have MORE power than these guys who caught Joe flush yet still couldn't end the fight.
     
  15. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i just think he is more powerful than all of them. kessler isnt anything special to me. robin reid was complete and probably a lil more complete than pavlik but nowhere near as powerful. i just think that pavlik is more powerful than all those u mentioned. i mean i hate analyzing fights because anything can happen i just beleive that pavlik will win. and it wont be a suprise to me. he is more complete than more people give him credit for in my honest opinion.