Pavlik vs Duddy Abraham vs Lorenzo June 7th!

Good points. Abraham is one of my favorite fighters and a countryman, but Im not gone let my favoritism overdie Logic. True, Pavlik has the style and the physical tools to beat Abraham, he is the logical choice. But I also do believe Abraham has the biggest chance of beating Pavlik, more so than any other middleweight out there. For one, Abraham has great footwork which allows him to close the distance fast and land his bombs. He did this very well in the Ikeke fight, and Kingsley is 6'4. Also, Abraham is clever unlike Taylor. He finds ways to win and thats an important trait to have. Factoring in his one punch knock out power as well as his durability, he can definitely pull the upset.

Pavlik is a huge middleweight and Im sure he kills himself to make 160, with his high octane fighting style, theres a good chance he can be drowned if his opponent is good enough to take him into the later rounds. This is what Abraham should focus on.

 

Oh my, I disagree quite absolutely.

It's the other way bro.

Abraham is the nightmare for Pavlik. But you have some good points so it’s gonna be an interesting little debate.



Every guy is a nightmare for Pavlik who can throw quick straight power punches AND have a great defense. I’m gonna make a point which is my main thing here. Jermain Taylor landed 65% of his power punches. 65 percent, that’s absolutely brutal. Now Abraham’s defense is a perfect one like Wright’s and you can throw as many punches as you like, the difference between 20% and 65% is 1 to 3. That HUGE HUGE HUGE.

Pavlik's jab is quite underrated I agree but no way that he can match with Abraham’s. It’s Abraham’s best weapon and you can’t outjab a jabber genius... Pavlik's jab is longer but Arthur's is MUCH faster and it's a type of the Lewis power jab. Very strong and most of all brutally accurate. Point one: Pavlik is THE bigger one here. I agree. How could I disagree? Pavlik is a freakin’ monster to the MWs. However Abraham is a big MW too. Not in height but in his body. Like Cotto, he’s a medium sized monster in his division, very strong physically, he’s getting down to the weight quite difficult so he’s a match in physical strength more than anyone in the MW division (of course nobody is as huge as Pavlik).

Abraham is VERY strong. Not only in accuracy but as I’ve said power is coming from his body too like in the case of Cotto. So good point that Pavlik is bigger but that’s not a great point here. Because it can be said of every Pavlik opponent. And Abraham was pretty effective against bigger opponents. Point two: you have my credit there, if something makes this is a nightmare for Abraham is Pavlik’s work rate. However I don’t know if you see the same way looking at Abraham that he is a very good counter-puncher. If not a genius. So his low punch-stat in SOME of his fights (I’ve seen 12-14 of his pro career) are coming from the PASSIVE opponents who after eating some power jabs and counters are not quite aggressive anymore. Abraham is passive (and can be a problem) if HE HAS TO BE the aggressor. Typical European/German school disease, the counter-punchers doesn’t like to be the aggressors and go at the opponent to take him apart, they’re waiting for them to come. But if you’ve seen many German-school/Abraham fights, you could see that Abraham and others are not only BRUTALLY effective in counter-punching but QUITE BUSY when the opponent is very active. I’s because they see more opening and the can land more counters. Simple but that’s how it works. And I see Abraham counter-punching, out jabbing and out-slapping Pavlik all night. The rope could be a danger zone for Abraham I agree because Pavlik can step back and fire from is own range. But even in these situation I see that Abraham’s Wright-like defense and very precise quick power jab would be a factor. But I agree, on the ropes Pavlik is the man.

So as I’ve said, if you go really in the style you have to see that Abraham’s counterpunching Pavlik all night. If you can land 65% of your power punches on Pavlik (and remember Taylor became quite tired after the 2nd – still managed to do a 65% - and Abraham has a better stamina and a better counter-puncher) and you have a very good defense at the same time, if you can keep up with the pace (I think Abraham can, you think not, the obvious answer will be the fight itself) it’s all Abraham. In the Miranda fight Arthur could still land some MONSTEROUS power punches after he brutally, shockingly broke his jaw and his face was a f*kin’ pizza with extra hot ketchup and a double sauce. It became very hard to counter-punch Miranda with that very serious injury but time to time he could still do it. So the whole fight turned around AFTER the injury and you know it’s a very rare injury. Arthur’s got caught, no doubt, but it’s rare to break the bone. It was an unlucky shot. And Abraham never got hurt. Point 3 was discussed too. Pavlik can move almost everyone to the ropes but it’s interesting that it seems you just can’t see any other way but Pavlik as the dominant aggressor all night. He WILL eat brutal counters (I think you know that too), and Pavlik will walk through them because he has a great heart, but WHAT IF Pavlik have to be less aggressive because in the first 4 rounds he gets caught with some MAJOR bombs, and not by an aggressive attacker (like Taylor) but a great counter-puncher – so what if Abraham will USE PAVLIK’S AGGRESSION AGAINST HIM? He will, I can guarantee that. I think you just can’t see that the whole fight could turn around but it will the way I see. As a good boxer, I see Pavlik changing to a little bit of a more cautious boxer (like in some rounds of the Taylor fight) because he’ll get caught with fewer shot’s that way. Now that’s where Abraham will shine. You can’t outbox the master boxer.

Pavlik’s got a pretty good chance knocking out EVERYONE from LMW to LHW so that’s a possibility. Winning on points is a good possibility too because he throws a lot of punches. Abraham throws fewer. So it will be a very difficult fight. But Pavlik can be counter-punched SO MUCH, that I see Pavlik’s aggression dropping after a few rounds. Pavlik will MAKE Abraham fight his fight, being more active but Abraham actually can be more active and has a pretty good stamina (watch the Ghevor fight). Abraham will have to walk through some great punches too but I see him as a far cleaner puncher, counter-punching the more active Pavlik all night, landing a hell lot of jab and winning a close or not close decision or winning a TKO after some brutally dominant counter-punching rounds. Activity can be a major weapon for Pavlik to make it to the 12th. And his heart too. But Abraham will land not 65% but 75% of his power punches. And I’m gonna tell you, he won’t be passive, won’t have a low punch output. Simply put: Pavlik will bring out his A game and on that level it’s all Abraham. Anyone else beating Pavlik? From LMW to LHW I only see Calzaghe and Kessler pulling it off. Pavlik’s putting everyone on his ass. The Winky fight could be a close one, but his power is not good enough to actually BEAT OUT the aggression from Kelly. Abraham is a similar fighter to Wright but with the punch of Edison Miranda...

 

So Pavlik already has 3 fights scheduled?

 

I'll stand by the same prediction I made months ago. Pavlik KO6 Abraham in a one-sided beatdown.

Abraham is the number 3 middleweigtht in the world.

1) Kelly
2) Jermain




Huge gap in ability







3)Arthur


You made a good post, but lots of people have had convincing arguments about this or that fighter beating Pavlik, and he's 32-0 wih a 90.7% KO ratio.

Boo

 

The only difference here that I broke down the fight not just said that "Oh, Sturm is gonna knock out Pavlik with a single jab" or some BS like that

As of today, Pavlik is on my p4p list and Abraham's not. I'm one of those who saw Pavlik ahead on the Taylor fight and think that he's got pretty good boxing skills. I think he's gonna knock out Taylor again. And everyone else in MW when he returns. And I like Pavlik.

Up to that point, we agree. And guess what, I'm STILL picking Abraham. Why? It's in my post. You didn't really disproved my points. And after all the effort I've put in I'm unimpressed. :verysad

 

Great news

Pavlik v Abraham MUST HAPPEN!