Pavlik vs. Taylor - Who won?

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good analysis

 

why are you shocked? theres always varying oppinions when a fight is close.

 

wheres your nuthugger quote?

 

Pavlik 115-113. I think it was between 116-112 for Pavlik to 114-114.

 

Yes, the existence of the contradictory opinions shows itself how close this fight was. Personally I don't prefer this term "effective agressor", as it can mislead you bye scoring only in favour of the fighter "going forward".

I had Taylor winning rounds 2, 3, 6, 7, 9 (am I alone with this?...) and 10.
Pavlik had 1, 4, 5, 8, 11 and 12.

Rounds 4, 7 and 9 were almost impossible to score...

Really a draw fight. 117-111 is ridicoulus, tell meg how you did not give Taylor 2, 3, 6 & 10???

 

I had it 115-113, 7rounds to 5 for Pavlik. I had it even going into the 11th. Taylor was ahead early but seem to fade and get outworked over the last third of the match. The fight was entertaining, close, and fairly clear. There were some close rounds but I think I gave most of them to Taylor. Good fight but I'm looking foward to seeing both guys move on.

 

yep. :good

 

The fact that Pavlik couldn't get Taylor out of there is troubling. He had all the confidence from blowing him out in the first fight, and that fear was still in the back of JT's mind, too..
I think they blew this fight and lost that advantage by coming out too cautiously and letting JT off the hook and by fighting JT's fight.
The fight was a draw.
You read it here first.

 

how bout looking at taylor's face for starters

 

I scored the fight 7-5 for Pavlik. Kelly outworked Taylor.

 

I had it 115-113 Pavlik, though a draw would've been fair, and a JT win slightly shady imo. 117-111 was ludicrous, and even 116-112 a little much (meant that all the close rds were given to KP), as well as giving 6 straight rds to KP. I had it even going into the championship rounds, but Taylor really gassed, and didn't do much (can't see how anyone could've given him either of those rds); in the end, Pavlik's steady pressure won him the fight--he would've been better served going to the body early on, too much head hunting. I also think Pavlik landed the more damaging blows, while JT seemed to try to be stealing some rounds with flashy-looking flurries. Both guys blocked a lot of the other's punches, w/KP's heavier hands getting through more often.

I didn't agree w/the punch-stats, and I wish they'd stop doing that nonesense--it serves no official purpose, and can be used as ammo by one side or the other. I thought it was about even, w/JT's coming in flurries and lessening over the second half of the fight, while KP just kept up a solid workrate.

I never like to see a fighter get right back in there w/someone who's just ko'd him, seems like a tune-up type fight to clear out that experience is a prudent step. That said, I thought JT fought a great and determined fight, he seemed to have put that last fight out of his head; he fought about as good a fight against KP as he could, I think the extra weight ended up benefitting JT more than KP (contrary to my pre-fight thinking), but JT's lack of power to keep KP off of him meant that he was backing up all night--a tough way win.

Pavlik didn't look nearly as dominating as he has, and JT did make him look slow, clumsy, and plodding at times. A bit of a reality check for KP and his fans. Oddly enough, in my book, JT's stock goes up after this loss, while KP's goes down a little.

I agree w/the sentiment that these two need to go their separate ways after giving us two great fights--JT to 168 and KP back down to 160 for as long as he can make weight.

 

Oh, and as far as HBO-bias...I was WAY too much into the fight to really listen to what they were saying! I was just glad that Kellerman and Lewis weren't there.

 

Taylor didn't win **** and the judges finally got it right. I was so tired of Jermain "Bad Decisions" Taylor getting credit for fights he didn't win versus Hopkins, Wright, and even Spinks. There is NO WAY in hell he deserved to beat Pavlik last night...unless you gave him credit for absorbing punches with his face. Pavlik outlanded Taylor and threw the much harder punches. Taylor fought a much more defensive fight because he knew if he opened up he would be going lights out again in this fight.