Pavlik/Williams is a great fight!

Again, maybe in your world......

 

Oh since it's about Kelly it can't be funny. okay Hermit.

 

It wasn't clever or funny.

 

No it isn't about being stubborn or stupid. I have been watching boxing for years now, and the excuses of fighters after a loss takes away from a great perfromance of Hopkins or Hearns or anyone. Legit as excuses are, if a guy complains about something big or small it goes on record. I think most fighters have some sort of chronic condition which can be used as an excuse. Even my favorite fighter Hearns has used excuses like weight being too low or that Hagler one with the massage on the legs, which even though Tommy is a great favorite of mine, I never bought it. Hagler won and beat a near prime Hearns, at a higher weight. I think the weight was more an issue than a message before a fight. But as for excuses. for example, Buddy McGirt used to be a guy who made excuses all the time, almost to the point where ring magazine had a story after Whitaker beat McGirt the headline was "If Whitaker is number one what does that make McGirt?" as though a good showing meant McGirt was number 2 p4p. Well McGirt lost and still the excuses almost made people believe that McGirt was not at his best, so if he is not his best and goes the distance, he must really be good. What fighter is 100 percent all the time? Then you take the Duran excuses everytime he loses to a great guy he says he never trained- happened with Leonard, Benitez, Hearns. 3 of the best guys he fought. The rumors about Rosario training 9 days for Chavez prior to their fight in 1987. Chavez was a better than Rosario, yet to this day those excuses persist. I just do not believe the excuses much. Bramble losing to Rosario because his right eyed swelled and he was thumbed. Goes on and on. Regardless if the excuses are partly legit, if we diminish a fighter who wins because the other guy had an excuse, why even have fights. They results will be tainted. I say again, what professional guy does not have some chronic issue.

 

MAG you don't think Hearns legs were weakened by that massage? I do.

 

It is not about accepting excuses as much as in my mind I do not entertain it much because it diminishes the other fighters win. The fighters sign the contract and we have to trust they will get in shape and fight well. I am sure there are cases where fighters have legit excuses, but then maybe they shouldn't fight. The case of Kessler or Hearns against Hagler with the hand. I am sure had Hearns not broken his hand against Hagler he could have put some harder punches together and put full leverage on his punches and maybe wobbled Hagler, but the way he started and Hagler's motivation, I suspect Hagler would have taken all Tommy had and kept coming. As for Tommy breaking the hand, the fact is that Hagler was a strong guy whose head withstood the force of Hearns punch and Hearns hand gave in before Marvin was stopped. I am one of Tommy Hearns biggest fans as most of you can tell, but I give Hagler full credit for that win. I do think Tommy could have come back and done well in 1986 with a little more bulk and fighting smarter and picking his punches more instead of just going wild like Marvin and Tommy did, but on that night in April of 1985 Hagler won fair and square. By the way, Tommy had a chance to win in 1986 had he started like he did with Shuler to the body and then slowed Marvin's forward movement (Marvin would have also not been as pumped as he was for the first fight), and then Tommy could have dropped in some hard full leverage punches on Marvin after thowing some left hooks. A slower pace would have helped Tommy. And I do think Marvin would have a hard time taking those punches. The punch which landed on Shuler chin would have made Marvin react somehow by wobbling or going down. I totally went off subject. Sorry for this.

 

This is an excellent fight and a very dangerous one for both. I'll pick Williams to win by decision in a tough action packed battle. I'll be very impressed if Pavlik wins, don't buy this "blown uo Jr. Middle or Welter" nonsense, Williams can make middleweight comfortably and has been asking for a major fight at welter/Jr. middle and middle for a long time and if he asks for it then he knows he can make it.

Waiting/hoping to see this become official soon. Both guys need each other at this point, not enough big names at middleweight out there, at least Williams can fight at Jr. middle or Welter if a big fight comes, all Pavlik can do is move up and it's not the best decision.

 

Its a good fight. Sure Williams has a very limited resuem at MW, but there simply isn't any intribuing fight to be made at MW.

The winner of this fight should go after Bute.

 

An interview with Loew revealed the 'road map for Kelly' is Williams, Sturm, Bute, Tourney Winner. Of course in this game you can write that on toilet paper.

 

I believe I made this point (among others) to you in the the thread

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156069&page=11



But better late than never, there Boo !


Now that AA- Pav is out of the question, Pav needs this fight.

And so do the fans.

Pav needs to show us he's not a flash in the pan.

Williams needs to show he can hang with a pavlik-type fighter.



And the fans need a marquee fight at 160.

This is a pick'em fight, and is the reverse of the AA fight, in that if it ends in stoppage, Kelly probably wins.

If it goes the distance, he probably loses.

 

Au contraire, Hermit, it was both.

Not side-splitting, but a clever and funny play on words, whether you're a Pavlik fan or not.

You need to lighten up a little.

 

OK. That sounds like a good plan.

Difficult to make happen perhaps; and Willimas is a risk, Sturm should not be a problem, Bute is a major risk before thinking about the SS winner.