Pavlik willing go to Germany!!!!

Pavlik is a hell of a lot more accomplished than anyone Arthur ever faced. From October 2005-February 2008 he stopped Zuniga, McKart, Zertuche, Miranda, and Taylor, (All guys who had never been stopped before) and than scored a clear UD over Taylor. Jermain Taylor VACATED the title that Arthur now holds because he did not want to fight the IBF's cheesey mandatories. Now do me a favor; name 3 Abraham opponents who would not lose badly to Zuniga, Miranda, and Taylor. Most of them would lose to a 2006 version of McKart and a 2007 version of Zertuche.

My beef with Abraham in the Ikeke fight was his rather lame efforts to jab to the body. He stuck his head and shoulders out past his feet, and pawed with it repeatedly. If he did that in a fight with Jermain, his ears would still be ringin. If he did that against Pav, he'd get knocked out immediately. I do not think it is a coincidence that AA has not fought anyone over 6 foot since then.

Zuniga moved up to SMW, won the IBO title, and then vacated it for a fight with Abraham. A fight he got screwed out of for reasons no one has ever properly explained. Instead of fighting Zuniga, Sauerland set up a voluntary defense with Ayala. Zuniga is WAY better and more deserving than Ayala.

I've never said we should want the Wright/Williams winner. I have consistently said "IF" Wnky beats Williams, he's a bigger challenge, and a much bigger fight than Abraham. Any version of Winky Wright that can beat Williams is a long, long way from shot. Winky is practically a living legend in boxing, he's probably a shoe-in for the IBHOF, and there is bad blood between Pavlik and Wright that goes back 3 or 4 years. In the public's perception Abraham is just some German guy who won a title that Pavlik's victim vacated.

 

Check the bold print.

In my opinion Pavlik, Abraham, and Sturm make a rather odd triangle. Sturm is probably the best "boxer" of the 3, and yet, I do not think he would have much of a chance against either of the other two. Twelve rounds is a long damn time to stay away from Abraham's bazooka. At some point, AA would catch him. Same deal with Pavlik; at some point he'd get caught in a corner or on the ropes, and it's over.

 

I agree 100%!!:good

 

In the post you are agreeing to I forgot one of the key points. sturm can box a bit, but he doesn't have the power to make AA or KP respect him. without that, you're ****ed.

 

I thought that was a "given".

Truth is, I like both Abraham and pavlik. I hope they never fight each other.

 

I think Abraham is better than you give him credit for. Of course Pavlik has fought the tougher names. German promoters are very cautious and want to win titles and hold on to titles, and can make lots of money that way. I agree, Pavlik's wins over Zuniga, McKart, Pierre, Zertuche, Miranda is a fantastic learning curve. And the Ws over Taylor set him up as deserved champion.

Abraham has been on and off. He was quite raw when he faced Ikeke but put in a good showing, TKO5. Major improvement on the Eastman fight (IBF elim). After the Miranda fight he was given a couple of soft touches to et the confidence and get some KOs (Demers etc). It seemed to work cos he stopped Ayala (who drew with Mora) and Gevor (a good fighter), with great shots. And then obviously the Miranda rematch. Jantuah fight didn't seem much use at the time, but Kofi - like I said - nearly took Rubio's head off. I felt AA was better v Marquez than Taylor was (when RM had shown some decent form i.e. winning the IBF elim v Lorenzo).

I hope AA gets the Pavlik fight cos he's almost dead at the weight (160). He's seen Pavlik beaten (Hopkins), seen him shaken (Taylor). AA's team will know Pavlik's every strength and weakness, and maybe will go for it. If not now, then never. As AA has said, there's nothing else to stay at 160 for. (And getting a shot at a super midlde champ is no formality).

Always hard to iron these deals out when you have promoters from different countries, different TV deals, etc. He does have a tight guard, edges in & out of range well, hits with economy and accuracy (even if some are a little wide). Though he has no workrate at 160.

 

And why not? The fight would be just as big in Germany as in the states. Abraham is very popular in Germany, it would draw the same audience and generate as much money as if it happened in Vegas f.ex. If the fight starts at midnight on a Saturday or Sunday, the U.S. viewers could view it live in the afternoon. The only thing that's important is to allow no european judges to score the fight, in order to minimize the risks of a robbery should the fight go the distance. Most european judges are very incompetent indeed (to be fair the same thing can be said of many US judges). Judges should come from south america, australia or asia to guarantee neutral scoring, the ref could be british.

 

I agree AA has no doubt improved since the Ikeke fight, but my question is; improved against what? He has not fought a single guy over 6 foot since then. His next fight against LuJaun Simon is the type of thing Sauerland should have done a long time ago. Simon is 6' 1", not bad as far as height. However, Simon's last opponent was Jose' Spearman. That's a guy McKart used for a tune-up after nearly 2 years off. At this point, tall or not, simon has no business in the ring with AA. In my opinion Sauerland has done a **** poor job of developing Arthur.

As far as Marquez, I trust that you are aware that Marquez fought a draw with McKart immediately before Marquez/Lorenzo. The same version of McKart who quit on his still in the 2nd Ornales fight. A few years ago if you told me McKart quit on his stool, I'd have accused you of huffing gas! The fact that McKart did quit, is a pretty good indication that he is now shot to ****.

The long and the short of it is that it is impossible for me to rate AA as high as most people do when he is fighting guys who have recent draws with a shot to **** McKart, and are living off Bronco's tune-up victims.

 

Great news, Abraham desperately wants Pavlik so lets get it on!!

 

In Germany the money might actually be a problem. Abraham only makes about $700K per fight, and he is the draw. Sauerland offered Winky about half the amount Winky turned down for a Pavlik fight. According to Tom Tocca, who is a reliable source on AA, that's the best they could do. Pavlik made $2.5 million for Gary Lockett, and $3 million for Bernard. He'd be a fool to fight AA for less than he made for Lockett.

A British ref :yikes I think you may be forgetting all the heat between KP and Calzaghe.

Pavlik/Abraham needs one referee: this fight has Steve Smoger writ large across it:hey

 

Pavilk would get KO by Arbraham

 

No doubt about that; we know it, Loew knows it, Pavlik's a warrior he wont entertain the thought.

 

That's was the consenus opinion against Zuniga, Miranda, and Taylor, and we KNOW what happen to them.

If Kelly Pavlik loses to a fighter on Abraham's level, he should seriously consider finding a new way to make a living.

 

Why do you say that>> are you trying to say Abraham is a cupcake?? Pavilk gets hit alot and hes bound to go down.

 

I say that because I've seen Abraham fight, but it is an exageration. Watch 5 AA fights back to back, and it becomes obvious that he brings nothing to the ring that Pavlik hasn't already dealt with in highlight reel fashion.