Pavlik would Beat the **** outta Kessler

For the THIRD time:

Originally Posted by SuperPunchOut
Wasn't in proven that kessler did not in fact duck Miranda ?
and it was Mirandas camp that messed up / pulled out ?

Kessler's agent, Michael Marley, confirmed what Palle said.

"It was Mogens and Bettina (Palle, Kessler's manager) who made all the concessions here. It was the Palles who got Kessler accepted as the official WBA challenger. It was the Palles who lobbied for Miranda as a worthy Number 2 challenger behind only Mikkel in the WBA ratings. WBA President Gilberto Mendoza Jr. and his team did everything they could to make this highly-anticipated fight a reality. So did Lou DiBella. At the end, the bitter end, it was Margules who pulled the plug. I guess that's sadly appropriate since it was Leon who kept reneging on the terms and conditions for the Showtime deal. Now he's burned Showtime in one month and HBO in the next. I just wonder if Pantera and his co-managers know what's been going on."

Finally, Marley asked what the public and media outcry would be if Miranda agreed to come to Denmark and Kessler bowed out.

"Everyone would be howling and rightfully so," Marley said. "But the shoe is on Miranda's foot and his promoter's foot. Kitten Kessler was ready to come to his house, to blow his house down and give Miranda a sound beating. But Margules just slammed the door in Kessler's face and HBO's face. I hope people keep these facts in mind when you read the next ridiculous press release about how everyone is so afraid of Miranda."

 

Bute is another where I just don't get why people don't care for him. IMO, he's great to watch, and gets his guy where he wants them with accumulative punishment, and then more often than not, knocks them the **** out.

I have given many props to Joe C., but I just can't honestly do so for Kessler. And like I said, the DK posters are of the most impressive bunch (for a particular fighter) I've seen on here. class acts.

 

Right, but that is the basis for all of these arguments ... between all of these various fighters ...

Just apply that when the many dumbass ESB Euro-fools say neg **** about RJJ, Toney, Hopkins, Taylor, Mayweather, Miranda .. and recognize just how f*cking stupid that sounds ... then you should be able to understand why Calzaghe, Kessler, Abraham, etc., get made out as near bums ...

The reality is that these would be tough fights ... but if you honestly believe that Calzaghe, Kessler, etc., could do anything except fight a life and death struggle with these fighters .. including Pavlik .. you're just out of your minds ... period. Calslappy would have a hell of a time with even the limited Miranda .. not because Miranda is as skilled, as experienced, or even as talented, but because he hits 50 times harder and would be in the ring pursuing Joe for 12 hard rounds and Joe has nothing to deter him. For every decision Joe would get over Miranda he would likely get KTFO every couple fights with him as well. Think Taylor is limited or dumb, question his ring generalship, handspeed, and power? Well, he would give Joe the fight of his life .. not sure Joe survives the very first fight ... but Joe could also fight his way to a tactical decision, sure, absolutely. Think Joe would be able to KO and destroy little Spinks whom Taylor gets grief for fighting? BS. Spinks has better handspeed and is a better boxer. Joe would get a decision if he were to find a way to impose his comparative advantages and win.

There are so many examples ... it beggers belief .. really.

Euro dicksuckers would make a much better case for their fighters by acknowledging their more proven and battle tested counterparts in the sport are substantive fighters ... you don't get to the top over here by constant and regular use of predisposed refs, bought judges, hometown crowds, and perfect operating conditions ...

There are a bunch of fighters both young and old that would give both Calzaghe & Kessler the fight of their lives ... I'd take several over them by KO.

Dawson, Johnson, George, Jones, Hopkins, Pavlik, take your pick ...

How much more sensible it would sound if Euro ESB posters (in particular) were to say "I think Kessler (or Calzaghe) is a really talented fighter and think he could win a tough competitive fight with Shaun George because of X, Y, & Z." Instead, it is always "my Euro would win easily" but the reality is they only fight other lousy European fighters when push comes to shove.

In Joe's case, he stepped up to a 43-year old ATG .. and looked limited. What might that say about Kessler? Be happy with "all of these guys would make competitive fights between each other" ... predicting Kessler would be too much for Kelly Pavlik is RIDICULOUS. Kelly has actually had to fight tough comp in the US gyms .. not merely on paper in some imaginary Euro world where African-American fighters are dumb, disrespectful, and treated with disdain. You want to knock them .. have your boys fight them in their prime .. or be prepared for incredible amounts of abuse to come back flying your way ... every day.

 

I do care for him, he's a decent fighter

But I have to deal in the facts, and the facts are he's been less impressive than Kessler against that level of competition. Kessler didn't drop rounds to these guys. Let's get some perspective, he hasn't even beaten a Mundine yet, and here we are giving him the edge over Kessler simply because he lost to an elite :huh

If we were talking about Kessler prior to Calzaghe, when he was considered a monster, I don't think you'd be of this opinion. It's unfair considering the respective opposition

We'll see. When Andrade gives him some serious problems, you'll change your tune.

 

killtheking....well it seems to me it's the Americans on here who are generally speaking more ridiculously and pathetically biased. Moreso than Euros.
I'm a Brit but my favourite fighter of all time by a distance is Toney. I also hate Ricky Hatton and an indifferent towards Calzaghe. I've seen you talking utter nonsense on other threads i'm afraid mate. Get a grip.

why do people even give a **** where a fighter happens to be from?

 

I do agree with King here, and he put it respectively as well. He hit the nail on the head (with most of the posters anyways). Like king said, it's all good and cool to stand by your fighters, but the problem making the **** sound arrogant as hell and hard to swallow is the adjectives used to describe either the win or percieved advantages for said fighter.

Just like king said, there would be a lot less return fire if the fight picks were described as "I believe my guy would win, in a good fight...etc."

It's the derogatory adjectives put in front of predictions that grind peoples gears.

 

and who is bad for doing this?

 

I tried to be careful not to imply you in any way. I see it so much, especially when Cal and Kess is involved, I would have to use two post to fit in all the names.

Short answer though, would be 90+% of all Joe C enthusiast. I have seen them say that there is not a single fighter, of any style, that Joe C doesn't hold a huge stylistic advantage over. It is also the hardcore Joe C enthusiast that go out of their way to make Kessler out to be superior to every fighter in the world barring Joe C. The real Kessler fans (mainly from DK) are much more fair and realistic in their appraisal of Kess.

 

Hairy Kessler TKO Pavlik

Am I bad now? :?

 

why do people even give a **** where a fighter happens to be from?

Maybe a few more generations of inter-marriage and we can get on to a fair world for all people, man ... but racism and nationalism are far, far from dead

it's the Americans on here who are generally speaking more ridiculously and pathetically biased. Moreso than Euros.

The Brit thread isn't nearly as inflammatory as the Brits when on the General ...



I've seen you talking utter nonsense on other threads i'm afraid mate. Get a grip.

LOL ... dood, my comments pale against the Euro nut-huggery on these threads .. if you can't see that .. well, I'll leave it right there ... but, you are really just saying, "look, I'm one of the different ones .. I like Toney (and that works because he's a great fighter <g>)" .. but, I find the reasonableness of your fellow denizens is quite lacking and their transparency fairly evident .. for example, how many "he's disrespectful" or "he's dumb" posts do you have to read to get the underlying drift of just why some of these accomplished African-American fighters are being dissed? If Miranda were white he would be given a pass for not having been a boxer since childhood and be applauded for the things he does in the ring in such a short amount of time .. can't he get better? .. he's fighting and willing to fight the best in the world .. right now .. why such almost hatred for the man from ESB?

ESB is screwed up royally ....

 

Bro, I have come to accept and even find it funny now, that in your opinion Pavlik loses to everybody, down to Calderon by TKO.

 

p4p, Calderon does TKO him, probably inside 3 rounds.