Pavlik?

I you can watch 3 Abraham fights back to back, and come away thinking he is superior to Pavlik, there is absoutley no hope for you to ever catch on to boxing. You'd be better off watching curlng.

 

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Pav is recognized as the king of the MW division by most boxing fans.
Pav holds 2 of the 4 belts, not including the Ring Mag title which he holds.

But you're right, AA holds the cards.

 

First of all, whoever thinks that AA beats Pav easily is a dreamer, but AA can beat him and vice versa. Both are tailor-made for each other.
Pav wears his opponents down and loves to put pressure on fighters with a more defensive style. His jabs are powerful and accurate. AA normally is a type of fighter Kelly loves to fight.

AA loves to counter-punch and when he does that he counters with bombs. His defensive is excellent. He loves opponents who come at him.

Both guys are made for each other and in the end we have to wait until the fight happens (IF it happens which I doubt seriously) to decide who of the two is better in what they do. As a fan of AA I root for him and think he would KO Pav.

Regarding AA vs. BHop: BHop would win, BUT NOT with ease. It's pretty hard to avoid AA's bombs for 12 rounds.

 

Marquez is the only fight I have seen of Abraham's of late that I can say he out classed an opponent, beginning to end but that is only because Marquez didn't have the power to hurt him so he took the initiative. He will have no "champions prerogative" and will be forced to fight, not lay in guard on the ropes and have that considered as "masterful" ring generalship and "defensive genius". He may have speed, but Kelly has to give up reach to a guy used to making a guy come to him and get careless. He will lose rounds when he doesn't engage to the point he will have to start that wild swinging he is fond of doing. Game over.

 

Well, we see a different ending. I just don't see 'short arms' reaching with disciplined punches and when he gets wild he is wide open to a more disciplined 'long arms'. Reach is the key to this one.

 

What's about speed? I think speed could be a key factor as well.

 

It is the way Abraham uses his speed for the most part that I think is a problem for him in this fight. His inactivity draws fighters in. Then he springs. Kelly doesn't have to get drawn in because of reach. This fight will be about who controls the distance, and until now at least, the way Abraham does that I just don't see working against Pavlik if he stays disciplined. But one mistake by either guy could be the difference in this fight. Kelly if he lets himself get drawn in, Abraham if he falls behind and starts swinging for the fences.

 

A short man against a tall man generally needs a good jab, good footwork, good head movement, and lots of speed to get inside and do his thing. Abraham is not faster than Taylor, nor can he go jab for jab with KP like Taylor could. Abraham's footwork is less than stellar, and he does not use much head movement. Arthur lacks experience against tall fighters, and his defense consists mainly of laying on the ropes behind a high guard. What happens to guys who repeatedly go to the ropes against Pavlik?

Hopkins kept the fight in the center of the ring. Taylor kept things center ring in the rematch. In order to do that you need a fast, long, hard jab to keep KP off of you, and fast, smart, lateral movement. Just moving to Pav's left isn't enough. You have to be able to move left to avoid the right, and then very quickly switch back the other way to avoid the long left hook. Arthur simply can not do these things at a Taylor-Hopkins level; not even close.

 

Damned. You had to one up my speed analysis...... Fair play. Mine is kind of primitive.

 

I've been looking for video of the complete Pavlik/Rubio post fight presser. Have you seen it?

 

I agree, but I don't see Pav using his reach advantage to outpoint AA for 12 rounds. He fights far too offensive to make me believe that he can stay out of AA's reach. If he can he has good chances to win the fight.

 

See post #39. I don't disagree with what you said about Arthur's qualities in comparison to Taylor or BHop, but he doesn't need those skills (by the way - his footwork and his speed is not bad). I definitely disagree with what you said about what will happen if Pav has AA on the ropes.

 

Not at all.