Pavlik's manager: The cutman is why Kelly Lost

Yeah, **** Pavlik and his ****ing excuses. atsch

 

This entire "reign" for Pavlik was quite embarrassing. A bunch of half assed guys either in over their heads or just not taking things seriously.

 

I'll be honest, after 4 I thought this was going to be a shut out, and then after rounds 5-7. I said Martinez needs to change something or he's going to be KOed. Pavlik started to land in round 5 and 6, then got even more going in the 7th.

I disagree. I feel like Pavlik had figured out Martinez a bit but that cut really ****ed him (all credit to Martinez). Preserving is one thing but Pavlik was landing quite a bit.

I don't think it was slight, I think the cut was a huge benefactor in helping Martinez win down the stretch. Martinez goes from winning easily, to the fights a draw, he was put down and being landed on, to opening a cut and nearly getting a 10-8 without putting Pavlik down.

Either way, I want to see a rematch.

 

Yeah, I made the point before the fight that if Pavlik lost, it would be a good thing because of how horrible his reign has been. I can't really fault him, he's an honest fighter, but very few of his team had a clue about boxing. The one who did, Arum, was happy to milk the Youngstown fans for all they have.

 

Exactly. You don't see this happen to anyone who takes this **** seriously. PBF, Manny, Klitschko's (nobody could close VK's shitmess against LL) all of them make sure they don't leave a stone unturned. Pavlik just isn't dedicated enough to be great, and with his lack of elite athleticism, he never will be anything. Seriously, a tall fighter should know to throw an upercut, and against a southpaw be adept at using your left cross, but no, Pavlik and his joke of glorified teamsters who are just there for the meal ticket would rather go on a weekend booze binge.

 

I see what you're saying, mate. I just think that if the cut played such a big part, the first 4 rounds would have been less one-sided. Like you said, it was looking to be a shut out but then Pavlik came back into it. I don't really see what he started doing though, honestly - I think it was more to do with Martinez just backing off, giving away a couple of rounds, and then coming on late. Sure, he was knocked down but he was never hurt and I think HBO greatly exaggerated his dominance in those middle rounds.

When Martinez was aware the fight was entering the final third, I think he just knew the bout was close and decided to revert back to his style in the early rounds, using more movement and being the first to throw again. When he did that any any point in the fight, Pavlik had no answer.

 

I think Loew is a terrible trainer and under a better one, Pavlik could still be undefeated. He's been taught nothing but the basics and I know he's loyal, but he shows such little skill and he has no Plan B. If he can't land his big punches, what does he have? And there has never been an answer in his career defining fights, against Taylor, Hopkins and Martinez, of how to land his big punches. People joke about the "DOUBLE THE JAB" thing, but it's true - It's such basic advice and certainly not world class.

It's a shame because Pavlik is a good fighter with great natural ability, yet he's been held back from having an even better career, by such an inept trainer.

Listening to Loew break down Martinez's style was embarassing. He just isn't that knowledgable.

 

Exactly! Kelly has zero inside game and Martinez was there to be had on the inside. I was screaming this as I was watching the fight. He needs to find a trainer that can teach him how to fight better on the inside and how to cut off a ring better.

 

If Kelly wants any chance of winning a Championship ever again he will need to completely overhaul his team. Everyone trainer, cutman, spit bucket holder. Otherwise he'll spend the rest of his career being a gatekeeper for the Super middle weight division.

 

I remember watching the fight and wondering what the hell the cutman was doing! Oh yeah nothing!

 

And overhaul himself, it's his own fault he is where he is.

 

It didnt help him win,i'll to you that.

Just squeezing a cut wont do the job.

Not going to say that was the main reason.It wasn't.

 

always someone to blame, pavlik and his team need to grow a pair

 

I'm sorry but he could've had ET in there and it wouldn't have changed much.

Sergio KEPT LANDING ON THE CUTS.

A cut is not going to heal no matter what's on it while it keeps getting hit, especially so late in the fight.

 

Agree, but even under different trainers and so on guys like BHop and Martinez would always give him problems, whether he could have overcome them is all speculation. People can say all they want about PBF, but the fact is he takes this **** more serious than anybody, from sparring partners to training to watching film and coming up with multiple gameplans, and the fact he has taken it so seriously for so long, it is just second nature and reflexes to him at this point. He wasn't always the best athlete in the ring, but he was always the best fighter.

I remember reading before Taylor fought Joppy, that he was timed electronically at 4.35 in the 40 and had a 42 inch vert. Say what you want but those show serious physical gifts, but still, even with those talents he didn't amount to as much as people thought. He just didn't have it in him. Just like Pavlik, the dude doesn't have it in him. Pavlik is a tough guy and for his lack of all around speed, he is still pretty gifted.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda<didn't

Judging by that, Mike Vick woulda been the best QB and player ever in the NFL, but you can't go back in time. Pav ****ed himself and has nobody to blame but himself. If the dude was that inept then why did he bring a butterknife to a gunfight?